Good night, I'll try to remember reading backlog tomorrow
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gcilou
bitmap, Freso, chrisskye, reosarevok, Gentlecat, zas, LordSputnik, Leftmost, alastairp: Now I'm going to need bios from y'all. Here is ruaok's if you want to form something similar https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/V1RAbsqh also, Please include your title if you're part of the team and and if you're a project leader, include the project name. You can PM
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gcilou
all this to me, or email me at caroline.gschwend@gmail.com If you don't send me a bio or a picture in 24 hours....your bio or picture slots will have ruaok's in them instead ;)
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Leftmost
Hey, he's a handsome man.
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gcilou
:)
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JesseW
reosarevok: I'll check the logs.
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reosarevok
Leftmost: you know he doesn't pay you, right? You don't need to lie ;)
2016-01-22 02216, 2016
reosarevok though, he will say he is the epitome of class
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reosarevok
(also the only person who, when asked for a team pic, would send a tired airport selfie :D )
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JesseW Seeing reosarevok's name reminds me to read the logs...
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reosarevok
;)
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reosarevok
Gah, writing my own bio is hard.
2016-01-22 02221, 2016
reosarevok checks what his user profile says
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reosarevok slightly overoptimistically updates his Estonian to intermediate while there
A: It isn't set up to be (except inasmuch as the Wayback Machine generally re-checks all the URLs it has seen, but that's very slow and irregular, and I don't know much about that).
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JesseW
Q: Do it yearly?
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JesseW
A: Sure, we can certainly manually repeat it, and yearly seems like a reasonable period to do so in.
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JesseW
Q: Ohh, do we get a broken link report out of this?
2016-01-22 02240, 2016
JesseW
A: The data will be available for download in full (like all ArchiveTeam data), and it's in WARC format, so the full HTTP responses are captured -- so a broken link report could certainly be generated. Is there one *already* made? No. :-)
2016-01-22 02204, 2016
JesseW
ruaok, darwin -- here are answers to your questions. :-)
2016-01-22 02219, 2016
reosarevok
gcilou: I'm assuming the URLs ruaok gave you should be linked on the names, not in parenthesis after them :)
2016-01-22 02256, 2016
JesseW
The person who actually wrote the code to do the grab is known as arkiver -- you can ask for them on the #archiveteam channel on efnet.
2016-01-22 02218, 2016
JesseW
If you have more questions, I'm glad to answer.
2016-01-22 02200, 2016
JesseW
ah, here's one from zas:
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JesseW
Q: This archive thing will allow us to detect broken links and to link to archived pages instead a la Wikipedia, isn't it ?
2016-01-22 02200, 2016
JesseW
A: Once the data makes it into the Wayback Machine, yeah, that should be doable. I'd recommend just adding a "Wayback Machine copy" link to the display of all links -- that way, if one *isn't* (yet) archived, people can do it themselves.
2016-01-22 02230, 2016
reosarevok
ruaok: "He lives in Barcelona, Spain" - I'd suggest dropping Spain - everybody knows where Barcelona is and that way you don't offend anyone ;)
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jgh40
ruaok: are you around?
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reosarevok
It's 6:40 AM his timezone, so I'd hope not :)
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ruaok
nearly midnight here.
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ruaok
gimme a couple.
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jgh40
k
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jgh40
i have a pm to you.... check if you get a moment re baron
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reosarevok
Oh. huh. So you are not where I though you are :) ok
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ruaok
reosarevok: where did you think i went to?
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reosarevok
Switzerland
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ruaok
jgh40: yeah, I disabled that account, but let me re-enable it
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jgh40
ruaok: ok, thanks.
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ruaok
reosarevok: I was in zürich for like 75 minutes today.
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ruaok
jgh40: the password is now the name of the garish inn in SLO. just the first part of the name, all lower case.
It's too good a resource for it to fail because of this stuff
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Leftmost
Eek. They've started charging? That's disappointing to hear.
2016-01-22 02234, 2016
JesseW
they haven't started *charging* -- they've started adding hassles to downloading (some) of the files unless you pay.
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JesseW
well, the only *solution* is going to be setting up a separate, more democratic/transparent organization, sadly.
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Leftmost
Ahh.
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Leftmost
Well, JesseW, thanks for volunteering. ;)
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JesseW
heck no.
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JesseW
A more transparent organization is still going to be as (or even more) draining and difficult to run -- and I don't even use the existing one.
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reosarevok
I mean, maybe the guy will eventually find a better way of doing things
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reosarevok
But we'll see
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JesseW
eh, I don't think the specific forms of charging he's doing so far are particularly bad -- the problem is that it's now alarmingly obvious that it's a one-man show, which means it dies with him. :-(
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Leftmost
"draining and difficult to run" is why I leave the administrative stuff to Rob and the community stuff to Ben. :-P
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JesseW
heh
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reosarevok
I mean, the forum specifically says the reason he's doing this is to be able to hire contributors and make it less of a one-man show
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reosarevok
Which seems pretty reasonable, but not if he scares said contributors away..
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JesseW
yeah, that goal seems fine and sensible -- but I don't think there's a way for him to make it work
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JesseW
the only people who will pay are those who like and want to support the site -- drive-bys and random people will just wait through the hassels.
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JesseW
and the people who will pay are precisely the ones who he also needs to recruit as contributors -- but the manner he did it is making those people feel excluded. It's a nasty self-inflicted wound.
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reosarevok
I mean, heavy contributors *do* get a free subscription
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reosarevok
(although I dunno how hard it is to reach that limit)
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JesseW
exactly -- and that's another self-inflicted wound. Heavy contributors are precisely those who would be most willing to pay voluntarily.
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JesseW
but by trying to raise money by degrading what is offered will just anger people
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reosarevok
Yeah, agreed with the latter
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reosarevok
Not so much with the former though
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reosarevok
Heavy *users* should be paying - heavy contributors are paying with their effort
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reosarevok
Charging them *again* would be pretty bad
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reosarevok
Maybe they'd pay, because addiction does those things to you, but they shouldn't...
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JesseW
should be, certainly -- but heavy contributors are heavily invested in the site, i.e. willing to contribute to it
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reosarevok shrugs
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reosarevok
I'm a heavy MB contributor, but I can't really afford to contribute money to it
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reosarevok
(well now I could, but it would be the money MB is paying me in the first place, so)
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JesseW
offering heavy contributors the opportunity to participate in *leadership* is what should have been done
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reosarevok
Yes, that's definitely true
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reosarevok
But unrelated
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JesseW
and then maybe offering similar leadership to people who contribute financially
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reosarevok
I mean, MB has nagging disabled for autoeditors IIRC
2016-01-22 02217, 2016
reosarevok
Because the idea is if you contribute enough with your effort, you shouldn't need to donate - you can if you want, but
2016-01-22 02219, 2016
JesseW
I haven't seen a nag for a long time, and I'm not an autoeditor
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reosarevok
They're only in the Picard lookup page I think
2016-01-22 02209, 2016
JesseW
Ah, I don't see that very often
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reosarevok
(we can afford not to put them elsewhere because we don't depend just on donations - thankfully, because god those Wikipedia banners are godawful)
