CatQuest ♫♪♬ NP: Ayhan Sicimoğlu - Istanbul pas Constantinople (from The Rough Guide to World Music for Children) ♫♪♬
2017-08-03 21512, 2017
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reosarevok
If we have some, they should probably be removed, unless they're *widely* circulated bootlegs
2017-08-03 21528, 2017
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
but even *official* compilations should be overriden by the creator of that song himself
2017-08-03 21532, 2017
reosarevok
Why?
2017-08-03 21535, 2017
SothoTalker_
if you sell your compilation, that's official, because you surely got all the licenses for distributing, right?
2017-08-03 21543, 2017
reosarevok
If I have a compilation, I want to tag with it
2017-08-03 21502, 2017
reosarevok
If I have "The Best 100 Love Songs of the 80s", why would I want each track to be tagged as some different album?
2017-08-03 21508, 2017
CatQuest
i wouldn't want to tag that song with te originla album (evne tho i'm sure it's awesome too)
2017-08-03 21512, 2017
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x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
well then whats the point?
2017-08-03 21535, 2017
SothoTalker_
accuracy
2017-08-03 21541, 2017
CatQuest
accuracy
2017-08-03 21543, 2017
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
sure that benefits you but what about everyone else?
2017-08-03 21550, 2017
CatQuest
ehm
2017-08-03 21555, 2017
CatQuest
we are the everyone else
2017-08-03 21558, 2017
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
in that case accuracy would be relative
2017-08-03 21500, 2017
reosarevok
We have the original album. We also have the original compilation. We know both exist, and both can be used
2017-08-03 21501, 2017
SothoTalker_
you are the first person which has a problem with that.
2017-08-03 21509, 2017
reosarevok
How is that inaccurate or problematic?
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CatQuest
especially if you can configure the tagger to do as yo uwant
2017-08-03 21524, 2017
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
you have a song from compilation a, i got it from compilation b
2017-08-03 21531, 2017
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
who has the right one?
2017-08-03 21538, 2017
reosarevok
If it's the same, the recording will be shared by both compilations
2017-08-03 21539, 2017
CatQuest
then yo ushoudl tag it with compilation b!
2017-08-03 21542, 2017
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
wouldnt the official artist of that song be the most accurat?
2017-08-03 21549, 2017
reosarevok
What's "the right one"?
2017-08-03 21551, 2017
CatQuest
well the artist sholdn't be differnt
2017-08-03 21500, 2017
reosarevok isn't sure what you mean by the right one here
2017-08-03 21503, 2017
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
but what about the album made by the artist
2017-08-03 21514, 2017
CatQuest
yes?
2017-08-03 21515, 2017
reosarevok
That is also available, and you're very welcome to purchase? I guess
2017-08-03 21520, 2017
reosarevok
* + it
2017-08-03 21524, 2017
CatQuest
you get the track from ther yo utag it from there
2017-08-03 21538, 2017
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
but why isnt that the default?
2017-08-03 21540, 2017
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reosarevok
If I'm ripping the original album, I'll tag it with the original album, obviously
2017-08-03 21552, 2017
SothoTalker_
if you got the track from the album, then you should tag it with data from the album. if you got it from a compilation, you should tag it with data from the compilation.
2017-08-03 21505, 2017
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
i dont have a problem with compilations
2017-08-03 21510, 2017
CatQuest
that's accuracy yea. especially with fingerprints
2017-08-03 21520, 2017
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
but i have a problem when they get selected over the original
2017-08-03 21533, 2017
CatQuest
and we say: yo ucna make picard *not* do that
2017-08-03 21533, 2017
reosarevok
If you have the original album, just tag with the album. Scan isn't always ideal for that, cluster + lookup can be better for full-album tagging if you have the full album and half-decent tags
2017-08-03 21545, 2017
CatQuest nods
2017-08-03 21558, 2017
reosarevok
Since scan can't know where you got it from, but lookup can use your current album title field for a best guess
2017-08-03 21513, 2017
CatQuest
yes!
2017-08-03 21533, 2017
CatQuest
(don't submit he fingerprint unless you're sure it really *is* the same recording tho)
2017-08-03 21533, 2017
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
okay i get that
2017-08-03 21549, 2017
CallerNo6
also: if I have the digital track "Celebration" (Kool and the Gang), I almost certainly got it from one of the bajillion compilations that it's on, not from the album.
2017-08-03 21550, 2017
reosarevok
I'm not 100% sure what's the first Scan pick if you don't configure anything
2017-08-03 21500, 2017
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
exactly
2017-08-03 21504, 2017
reosarevok
samj1912 might know
2017-08-03 21513, 2017
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
what im asking, is that with scan, without knowing the source or whatever, why isnt the original the default?
2017-08-03 21527, 2017
CatQuest
becasue you ahvent configured picard to do what yo uwant
2017-08-03 21531, 2017
CatQuest
yet
2017-08-03 21538, 2017
reosarevok
Because there's no reason to believe the file came from the original album or single rather than any other source, for the average user
2017-08-03 21542, 2017
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
key word *default*
2017-08-03 21553, 2017
CatQuest
key words: for *you*
2017-08-03 21554, 2017
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
reosarevok, what??
2017-08-03 21518, 2017
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
" no reason to believe the file came from the original album or single" why not?
2017-08-03 21525, 2017
CatQuest
becasue there isn't
2017-08-03 21531, 2017
reosarevok
As CallerNo6 said: for many popular songs, it's much more likely that the average user got them from a compilation
2017-08-03 21532, 2017
CatQuest
compilations like ,excists
2017-08-03 21536, 2017
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
if the original author made the song why wouldnt you believe they made it?
(many more people listen to "best of the 80s" compilations than to the full albums they came from)
2017-08-03 21501, 2017
CatQuest
if you have a compilaion where the artist i differnt yo umay have am isstagged cover
2017-08-03 21502, 2017
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
*sigh*
2017-08-03 21513, 2017
CallerNo6
("least bad of the 80s", but otherwise +1)
2017-08-03 21525, 2017
reosarevok
CallerNo6: I'm the least bad of the 80s.
2017-08-03 21526, 2017
CatQuest
hey the 80's where ok CallerNo6 !
2017-08-03 21527, 2017
CatQuest
:D
2017-08-03 21535, 2017
CatQuest
reosarevok: XD
2017-08-03 21546, 2017
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
so basically we go with the inaccurate default because everyone does?
2017-08-03 21549, 2017
reosarevok
Ok, "not the worse of the 80s", at least
2017-08-03 21551, 2017
SothoTalker_
yes, the original artists made the songs, but that does not mean your particular mp3 file was made from the original source. it could also come from a compilation.
2017-08-03 21503, 2017
reosarevok
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ: I still don't understand why it is inaccurate
2017-08-03 21513, 2017
CatQuest
my god jsut think of "lambada" for m"kaoma" or any one hit wonder. hell, I don't evne know what album that is from, and it's one of my favourite sons :O
2017-08-03 21516, 2017
reosarevok
It would be inaccurate if that compilation didn't actually contain that track, of course
2017-08-03 21517, 2017
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
SothoTalker_, im talking about the exact same song
2017-08-03 21526, 2017
SothoTalker_
me too
2017-08-03 21546, 2017
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
well if it came from a compilation then fine, set it to the compilation
2017-08-03 21550, 2017
SothoTalker_
what if an artist has released the song on a few different releases?
2017-08-03 21558, 2017
CatQuest
do they have the same recording id?
2017-08-03 21500, 2017
reosarevok
It would also be inaccurate if the compilation claimed the track was by some other random artist, which sometimes happens, although we try to improve that
2017-08-03 21503, 2017
SothoTalker_
not compilations
2017-08-03 21505, 2017
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
CatQuest, yes
2017-08-03 21513, 2017
CatQuest
aahaa now we're geting to it
2017-08-03 21522, 2017
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
finally
2017-08-03 21527, 2017
CatQuest
you should have said that right away
2017-08-03 21543, 2017
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
i thought that was pretty obvious when i said the same recording
2017-08-03 21551, 2017
CatQuest
no, sorry, I missed that
2017-08-03 21505, 2017
CatQuest
(and "recording" cna be missunderstood)
2017-08-03 21540, 2017
CatQuest
also giving a link coudl be usefull to :)
2017-08-03 21545, 2017
SothoTalker_
it could still be the version from the compilation :D
2017-08-03 21546, 2017
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
okay, so, to sum up what im saying: with a single song, (same id, same recording same everything) but with different albums, some being compilations, why isnt the offical album the default selection?
2017-08-03 21547, 2017
reosarevok
In that case, we're giving you all the needed info: this is in both this compilation and this album. If you only listen to albums, take the compilation slider all the way to "ignore compilations", and the album one all the way to "always use albums"
2017-08-03 21557, 2017
ruaok
iliekcomputers: latest PR deployed
2017-08-03 21520, 2017
reosarevok
What official album? :) The original vinyl? The original CD re-release? The latest re-release with bonus tracks on sale now?
2017-08-03 21521, 2017
reosarevok
:p
2017-08-03 21524, 2017
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
reosarevok, i did
2017-08-03 21525, 2017
reosarevok
It's never that simple
2017-08-03 21526, 2017
CatQuest
so then for x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ the albums *will* be default
2017-08-03 21541, 2017
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
but its not working here
2017-08-03 21556, 2017
iliekcomputers
ruaok: phew
2017-08-03 21557, 2017
CatQuest
if it's not working then that is a big in picard
2017-08-03 21501, 2017
CatQuest
bug*
2017-08-03 21521, 2017
reosarevok
I don't know exactly how it works to be fair, which is why I mentioned posting in the forum :) But it might be that Picard has a problem, yeah. It's just the problem is certainly not of what it picks by default
2017-08-03 21545, 2017
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
i think thats exactly what the problem is m8
2017-08-03 21554, 2017
reosarevok
I've (rarely) had it pick a compilation when I have an album
2017-08-03 21509, 2017
CallerNo6
tangent: it'd be kinda cool to be able to express in tags "this recording came from this compilation, but also here's the original album info for reference"
2017-08-03 21511, 2017
reosarevok
In those cases, I check the recording, pick the right album, drag-and-drop, solved
2017-08-03 21523, 2017
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
:|
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x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
probably should have just switched to itunes
2017-08-03 21551, 2017
reosarevok
I guess it might be more common if I didn't listen mostly to obscure contemporary classical music and/or hip hop too new to be on rereleases, but
2017-08-03 21518, 2017
reosarevok sounds like a horrible hipster now, is sorry
2017-08-03 21522, 2017
CatQuest
:D
2017-08-03 21540, 2017
CatQuest isn't a hipster but a hippie. all the compilatinos of bollywood music and ragas, world music and metal :D
2017-08-03 21500, 2017
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
great, now the compilation have album tags
2017-08-03 21522, 2017
reosarevok
Isn't that what you asked for?
2017-08-03 21524, 2017
reosarevok is confused
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CatQuest
.. yea?
2017-08-03 21554, 2017
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
reosarevok, i want the official stuff
2017-08-03 21500, 2017
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
aka albums
2017-08-03 21507, 2017
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
but im getting compilations
2017-08-03 21510, 2017
CatQuest
then make picard prefer album
2017-08-03 21513, 2017
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
because they have the album tag
2017-08-03 21516, 2017
reosarevok
Oh
2017-08-03 21519, 2017
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
i did
2017-08-03 21530, 2017
CatQuest
see this is why i never tag comps iwth "album" :D
2017-08-03 21535, 2017
CatQuest
hah
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reosarevok
Sure, they're album + compilation. So that might be an issue with Picard if it can't ignore those
2017-08-03 21544, 2017
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
*sigh*
2017-08-03 21544, 2017
CatQuest
indeed
2017-08-03 21547, 2017
reosarevok
samj1912: do you know if that's the case?
2017-08-03 21556, 2017
CatQuest
that's soemthing we cna fix
2017-08-03 21556, 2017
reosarevok
(well they're compilation albums, after all :) )
2017-08-03 21504, 2017
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
:|
2017-08-03 21509, 2017
CatQuest
reosarevok: njaaa.. i don't really agree but i'm not winning that battle
2017-08-03 21517, 2017
SothoTalker_
isn't there a rule to disallow compilations? :D
2017-08-03 21526, 2017
reosarevok
I'd expect saying "no compilations" to also block anything that has X + compilation though
2017-08-03 21531, 2017
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
dragging the slider to 0? i did that
2017-08-03 21533, 2017
reosarevok
If it doesn't do that, that probably should be changed :)
2017-08-03 21541, 2017
CatQuest
yes
2017-08-03 21547, 2017
SothoTalker_
which version of picard?
2017-08-03 21558, 2017
CatQuest
reosarevok: it's late for sma and the indians tho, so maybe ask tomorrow morning
