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      • bukwurm
        LordSputnik: Google and even Bing now index client side rendered JS, so SSR only for SEO benefits can become an unnecessary measure very soon.
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      • bukwurm
        I believe we can do away with SSR completely, if there's no important reason backing it.
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      • iliekcomputers
        alastairp: import was pretty fast.
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      • LordSputnik
        bukwurm: we have to have it for clients who don't have JavaScript
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      • bukwurm
        LordSputnik: Do we have that many clients? I'm just curious, SSR is now an integral part of the website - why was it decided in the beginning to have SSR?
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      • bukwurm
        *clients without javascript
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      • bukwurm
        The thing is - I feel entry level for a front end dev becomes difficult when we have SSR (with the present setup).
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      • LordSputnik
        bukwurm: Lots of people either don't have a browser supporting JS or deliberately turn JavaScript off for sites they haven't visited before - we want to make the site accessible for these people. So we need to support server-side rendering. If we didn't use SSR, we wouldn't be using React for everything - we'd still have a server side templating language (we used to use Jade/Pug). Adopting SSR means that only one
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      • LordSputnik
        framework (React) is needed for everything
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      • Mr_Monkey
        LordSputnik: for my own curiosity, when you say lots of people don't have JS, do you have numbers? I've always wondered.
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      • alastairp
        iliekcomputers: great!
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      • bukwurm
        Mr_Monkey: We can set up some form of experiment on the site, to better know the traffic - if it's alright with LordSputnik
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      • LordSputnik
        Mr_Monkey: quick bit of research gives 0.2% of regular users.
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      • ruaok
        LordSputnik: problem is our users are not regular users.
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      • ruaok
        if you make a one of our sites unusable without JS, you will hear about it incessantly. :)
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      • LordSputnik
        ruaok: That's what I was saying earlier
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      • iliekcomputers
        wb ruaok
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      • iliekcomputers
        :)
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      • ruaok
        thanks. I'm eager to get back to work and move things along.
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      • LordSputnik
        ruaok: any recommendations for Scotland? I'm going to Edinburgh, Glasgow, Inverness and Aberdeen in November
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      • ruaok
        november? yikes. that will be gray, wet and cold.
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      • ruaok
        what do you want to do? hiking? that was our primary focus.
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      • LordSputnik
        Nah we know the weather will probably be bad so mostly just sightseeing in the cities
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      • LordSputnik
        But I'm in the UK anyway so used to dealing with uncooperative weather :P
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      • ruaok
        I don't have many tips there, we didn't take in a lot of sights.
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      • ruaok
        in Edinburgh is a walking tour, the dark side of edinburgh that looked fun, but conflicted with plays we were taking in at the fringe.
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      • ruaok
        hiking and theater is what we did most of and most of our time was spent in a wee little town out of the way.
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      • zas
        bitmap: CAA has problems since a long time now, can you ping someone at archive ?
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      • Freso
        I'm unquieting the channel now but blocking non-registered people from joining.
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      • Freso
        It seems like the spam thing won't be going away before GCI takes off, and I think it might be better for them to see up front why they're not able to join the channel(s), rather than joining and being met with complete silence.
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      • Mineo
        does that have any impact on users of the webchat client that's mentioned on https://metabrainz.org/contact?
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      • Freso
        If the spam dies down on the network over the next few weeks, maybe I'll go back to the other way, but ~24 hours there have been somewhere around to 50–100(!) spam messages for every legitimate one, which is just too much to look through to see if there should be a single lost (potential) GCI student in there. I'll update our IRC documentation accordingly.
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      • Freso
        Mineo: Yes.
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      • Freso
        reosarevok can confirm that I'm not exaggerating the numbers (I feel like I might actually put it a bit on the low end).
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      • Freso
        (Ratio is much worse in #musicbrainz.)
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      • Freso
        Does https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/index.php?title=Comm… read okay? (Mineo and others.)
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      • Freso
        I'll make a PR for meb.o next.
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      • reosarevok
        Not exaggerating confirmed