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ruaok: which dump did you use?
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iliekcomputers
😂
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CatQuest
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ruaok
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ruaok
mooooin
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ruaok
if you're ever had the (dis)pleasure of interacting with RMS...
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CatQuest
no idea who he is, and no idea what he said.. but great!?
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ruaok
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ruaok
yes, great.
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ruaok
well, that's quite a morning.
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Mr_Monkey
Good !
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travis-ci
metabrainz/picard#4968 (master - 449b8f3 : Christian Clauss): The build passed.
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Mr_Monkey
"I am resigning […} over a series of misunderstandings." Uh-huh…
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ruaok
he's not going to learn his lessons, nor go quietly. but he'll be invited to talk a lot less...
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reosarevok
ruaok: wanna apply for president? :p
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reosarevok
You know, for the lulz
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ruaok
me? I'd last all of about 15 seconds!
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reosarevok
I mean, you can certainly take more than 15 seconds to defend underage prostitution, right
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reosarevok
So, better than RMS?
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reosarevok
Although you'd probably turn the FSF into the Flying Spaghetti Foundation, so maybe not
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ruaok
oh, now you're talking.
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ruaok ponders
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outsidecontext
It's sad to see that RMS doesn't even attempt a critical look at himself but even when resigning just blames others
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ruaok
seems to be a trend these days.
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ruaok
iliekcomputers: listenbrainz-listens-dump-82-20190912-000002-full
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CatQuest has never heardof this guy before today :D
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reosarevok
CatQuest: pretty big name in nerdy-old-dude computer circles
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reosarevok
And kind of a dick, like most nerdy old dudes in computer circles
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reosarevok
(not sure why tbh but I struggle to find of anyone old and famous who isn't also kind of a dick, other than hopefully Brewster Kahle, who I hope hasn't said anything weird recently now :p )
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alastairp
> 10:01 PM <iliekcomputers> Yeah, our python image doesn't support that for some reason
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alastairp
the changes I made to the python images earlier in the year _should_ include all optional dependencies
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alastairp
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ruaok
does it include a python module for xz? (are we still talking about xz?)
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alastairp
as I understand, if the xz libs are installed when you compile python, then tarfile will read xz files (same with gzip, bzip2)
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alastairp
actually, to be fair I'm not sure now what xz-utils is used for, because the python archive that we download is in xz. does this package have just the extractor or the build libs too?
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alastairp
> liblzma-dev
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alastairp
that one. perfect
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reosarevok
Thanks for the ticket, alastairp :)
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alastairp
de nada
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alastairp
as I commented, if people use the output of the api correctly, it _should_ be backwards compatible, but I don't trust people :)
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reosarevok
If they don't check the value, that's too bad :p
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reosarevok
alastairp: heh, so JSON already sets forward anyway
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alastairp
lol, interesting
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alastairp
yeah, we deal with xml in the python bindings
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alastairp
which is why I noticed it
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reosarevok
Guess because otherwise it would have an empty direction, while xml just would have no element
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alastairp
yeah, makes sense. xml does that "no element" thing better
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alastairp
mm, does that mean that the schema says that this element is optional? I wonder if it should also be changed to "required" if you're always going to add it?
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reosarevok
It should, probably
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reosarevok
I'll check
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reosarevok
So this patch will be like five lines of code changes and a hundred of test changes, I assume :p
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alastairp
as it should be
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reosarevok
Hmm
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reosarevok
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reosarevok
(it is optional, yes)
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alastairp
lolol
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alastairp
I'm definitely looking at an api output which doesn't show forward
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CatQuest
reosarevok: I was actually readin that article and didn't understand why the "old nerd dick" thing came in
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CatQuest
.. then i read the talk page and boy
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reosarevok
I don't think we have "both" anywhere
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reosarevok
alastairp: sure, it's not shown at all. It's weird that it defaults to both, because we never use both :p
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reosarevok
(I guess that'd apply for what, sibling?)
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reosarevok
alastairp: lol. So, we have Readonly our $DIRECTION_FORWARD => 1; Readonly our $DIRECTION_BACKWARD => 2;
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reosarevok
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reosarevok
Where the fuck did "both" in MMD come from then
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alastairp
down the rabbit hole he goes
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reosarevok
It's been there from the beginning, it seems
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reosarevok
Yup, literally there in musicbrainz_mmd-1.0.rng
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reosarevok
The fuck :D
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BrainzBot
MBS-10370: Add `direction: forward` to all forward relationships in WS
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alastairp
how does versioning of that document work?
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alastairp
is it possible that people have stored xml of the output of the ws pointing to a schema file which might change
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alastairp
so then if they perform validation, the file becomes "invalid"?
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alastairp
I guess keeping it optional is OK. perhaps a comment saying that it's left as optional for backwards compatibility but is now always output/
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alastairp
?
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reosarevok
AFAICT we just update 2.0 nowadays
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ruaok unleashes the vacuum bot on the office
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ruaok
no, not the postgres autovacuum
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alastairp
oh man. a roomba is like an autovacuum
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alastairp
put a pg sticker on it
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reosarevok
Nerds
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ruaok
if I had one, I'd do it. only metabrainz stickers so far.
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ruaok
and bookbrainz. was to hand.
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ruaok
he found the mural supplies though. that was a close call.
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ruaok
meh, not going to be a fun productive day today. nothing but english hacking, no time for code, methinks.
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