#metabrainz

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yvanzo, bitmap, reosarevok: if i set a large offset for a search request, will there be any difference in the response to detect that no more items are available or should i parse the json to check for empty list

_lucifer: there is no difference but the list

ruaok: Apple is being annoying again :( Code signing suddenly fails with "You must first sign the relevant contracts online."

Could you take a look at the Apple account? Not sure what contracts have been added or updated, but I guess it would show somewhere

yvanzo: thanks for thw info.

ruaok: all the mappings except the recent one has text fields prefixed with `msb`. It is `mb` in the recent one. Don't we have any tests for the mappings to avoid this conundrum of names. I will prefer using `msb` since the codebase uses that.

moin!

those are not confusions.

mb = musicbrainz

msb = messybrainz

the prefix denotes the source of the data.

but why it was changed in the recent mapping to mb?

all the previous mappings use `msb`

because the fields in the mapping that originally came from msb were not useful.

and the codebase was updated to use msb.

if you wanted to use the mapping and look up data, you got MSB data. but most people want MB data, so they would need to do another lookup.

remember the point of the mapping is that once the data is passed through the mapping, we no longer use MSB data, but only MB data.

that means i will have to update mb everywhere

I get that

is that a lot of work?

I hope there aren't a lot of changes in the filed names in future :p

that makes two of us.

:p

> is that a lot of work?

remember, this is part of the software development process when you're leaning stuff.

the goal is not always clear and at times, there will be two steps forward, one step back.

Idk rn, but I will do that anyway :)

ruaok: have a look at #958. Gonna merge right away if it looks okay

gotta take care of something for outsidecontext first.

cool col

cool*

outsidecontext: done.

Morning

pristine___: approved

[listenbrainz-server] vansika merged pull request #958 (master…update-steps-to-go-to-next-month): update steps to reach next month https://github.com/metabrainz/listenbrainz-serv...

Morning!!

shivam-kapila: woo!

now to wait for the next incompetent person to come and mess things up more :)

my personal laptop is back, so that's nice.

Project bookbrainz-site build #3220: errored in 1 min 40 sec: https://travis-ci.org/bookbrainz/bookbrainz-sit...

iliekcomputers: 💻 whoo hoo

Mr_Monkey: huh. what is "traveller norwegian" ?:D

hum. shoudl we have a work-author "work is about author" relationship?

iliekcomputers: Noice!

CatQuest: Not sure hat you mean with "traveller norwegian".

As for the relationship it does make sense. Lots of writers biographies out there. The reverse would be "Author X appears in Work Y"

indeed

the traveleers was showing up when i typed "norw" in language search

No idea. But AFAIK the languages in BB are copied over from MB.

never seen it there

huh

anyway chekc it out! https://beta.bookbrainz.org/author/c12c2502-88f...

What about Hildegard?

it's probably one of the oldest people in our db a the moment

definitely the eariest woman now

btw. languages. what id you don't know what language it is?

like especialy names cna be severla languages

and if someone .fex has a italian last name with a german (or norwegina ,or swedish or..) first name? thne what

for titles I guess. but I stil ldon't really buy the "language of the contence of the book =/= language of the title of the book" thing. nor that the language of the titl is so important to be mandatory while contence language (wich, is much easier ot discern really) isn't

here is an exapmle: a person called Marie Louise Portmann what language is this?

shivam-kapila: ahahahaha lol

she apparently wrote a (modern)german translation of physica (hildegard's) but how do i know that her name(that she is) german?

does it matter if she is gemrna but her name isn't?

is her name german?

I agree the whole language thing doesn't make sense for authors

\o/ thank you!

Implementation of that change is going to be a whole other story, though…

ugh

well for now i'm jsut putting "[multiple] since it's a lot easier and quicker :/

sorry

That's why I haven't touched it yet

heh

I presume that together with all the other language-list improvememts like shortening it, putting comon ones at tope etc

I'll improve the ticket i created for it too

I'm also working on a document to see what "attributes" are useful for us. i mena on relationships

one thing. like here I am infront of me I have a work that contains "translated excerpts" from another work"

this seems like "translated" would be an attribute there...

or should the "translation" work-work rel have a ""prtial" atribute? instead

my first instinct is the former

but that also becoems a problem becasue is a translation als oan adaptation?

what if something was translated *and* adapted?

aren't all translations adaptations?

should "translated" work-work just be an attribute on "derivation"

(artist-work is another story. and it makes sense there)

bt. for artist-work I am adding both "colourist" and "penciller" since those seemed imprtant (atleast acc wikipedia these are: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penciller https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorist )

lastly I need some input on: copyright (a new rel I will suggest) and "licensor"

what exactly is lisencoring?

it sonds more like a publisist thing

hmm i suppose for now one could simply add *both* an "contains excerpts from" *and* a "is a translation of"

well we don't yet have 2contaisn excerpts" :P

a licensor is a person who grants a license to someone (the person who receives the license is called a licensee)

eeekk

how does an person (author?) do that on a work?

in this case I suspect that it's almost (but not always) the same as the copyright holder

since this is an "author-work" rel on bb

hm! i shoudl jsut rename that then sicne it's super mega- unclear what it means right now ans it doesn't actulaly mirror what books actulaly say

Mr_Monkey: thoughts?

like in music, often the person who makes the thing isn't always the person who can legally allow others to use it

in the specific case of books I don't know how this work

yea. and that ucks :O

hmm in books.. i suppose it's somewhat different a little

I guess today toiken-company owns "lotr" copyright thingy

but i guess the lincensing woudl happen only on an adaptation (movie script)