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      • pristine___
        iliekcomputers: why did you close this https://github.com/metabrainz/listenbrainz-server… ?
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      • pristine___
        I mean I was following it, didn't find any closing comment!
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      • shivam-kapila
        morning
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      • yvanzo
        mo’’in’
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      • jmp_music__
        morning!
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      • pristine___
        _lucifer: you about?
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      • _lucifer
        yes pristine___
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      • pristine___
        I was looking at my recs. I mostly listened to indian artists. In the last week, I listed to a few songs of. Tame Impala. I see that the first page of my top artists playlist is filled with tame Impala songs, meaning these recordings have highest score, as I move to the second, third page of the top artist playlist, I see artists more evenly distributed and more indian artists. A few users have commented on the
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      • pristine___
        community post, this also has troubled me for quite some time, the playlist (especially the first page) being centred around a few artists. One is reason I can think of is, LB has a few users who listened to indian songs, so maybe my similar user (based on user-user similarity) is purely based on English songs. That's is why all the song of tame Impala have highest score even though I don't listen to them so
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      • pristine___
        frequently.
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      • pristine___
        Just a finding, I thought it will good to share with you given you are working on a part of recs now :)
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      • _lucifer
        yeah, sure. thanks for sharing
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      • _lucifer
        the easiest way here seems to limit the number of recordings from an artist on the first page
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      • shivam-kapila should check his recs
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      • _lucifer
        but that is probably a work for troi
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      • pristine___
        _lucifer: exactly, I have discussed about this with ruaok
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      • pristine___
        We haven't reached on any conclusion though
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      • pristine___
        It really looks odd when the first page is centered around only one artist, I guess most of us don't move to the next page.
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      • pristine___
        _lucifer: not very critical to solve rn, but a good to have thing.
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      • _lucifer
        That's true, most won't go to the next oage
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      • _lucifer
        yeah, for now the page says tracks you might like so it not very important but when these tracks become a playlist then it'll be
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      • shivam-kapila
        I see coldplay........ coldplay aaaand coldplay
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      • shivam-kapila
        n I didnt even listen to it last week
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      • pristine___
        shivam-kapila:
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      • pristine___
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      • pristine___
        I see `The Chainsmokers & Coldplay` here
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      • pristine___
        You can do a look up for you top artist from stats endpoint here
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      • pristine___
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      • pristine___
        Most probably the artists, recordings aren't in the mapping except Coldplay, that is why you have only one artist in the playlist
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      • pristine___
        Did you read the community post shivam-kapila ? I am sure it will clear your doubts regarding the nature of playlist, if not let me know, I will add in there, will be helpful for other users too :)
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      • pristine___
        > the easiest way here seems to limit the number of recordings from an artist on the first page
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      • pristine___
        _lucifer: I was thinking to apply `random` on the recs list and then show on site.
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      • shivam-kapila
        pristine___: thx. Will do
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      • shivam-kapila
        > _lucifer: I was thinking to apply `random` on the recs list and then show on site.
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      • shivam-kapila
        Doesnt sound right. Each time I press next and then previous the recs change
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      • shivam-kapila
        But this isnt ideal imo
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      • pristine___
        shivam-kapila: do random before showing them on site, and not while you show them on site
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      • pristine___
        Is what I mean
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      • shivam-kapila
        What if I reload
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      • _lucifer
        pristine___: could be a good idea
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      • _lucifer
        shivam-kapila: i think the idea is to randomize in spark instead of sorting on score so the results seen by the user will be consistent
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      • shivam-kapila
        Then we shouldnt show score then
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      • shivam-kapila
        As there wont be a reasonable pattern
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      • _lucifer
        yes right
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      • _lucifer
        pristine___: is there any way to see the current queue of requests in request consumer?
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      • Mr_Monkey
        Moin!
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      • pristine___
        > shivam-kapila: i think the idea is to randomize in spark instead of sorting on score so the results seen by the user will be consistent
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      • pristine___
        That _lucifer :)
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      • pristine___
        _lucifer: iliekcomputers would know, I have no idea on that :(
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      • _lucifer
        np, i have the mapping placed at the right place but i know need to upload it to hdfs somehow
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      • pristine___
        Just use the command in spark_manage
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      • pristine___
        I linked yesterday.
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      • _lucifer
        yeah, i am using that but it is not working due to some disk space issues. i'll free up some space and do that
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      • iliekcomputers
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      • BrainzBot
        LB-729: Scrobble tracks streamed on ListenBrainz website
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      • Mr_Monkey
        Yeah, that's been on the list for a while, hasn't it?
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      • Mr_Monkey
        Shouldn't be too difficult, especially if we don't have to transform the listens in question in any way.
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      • Mr_Monkey
        But I can see the increase in priority now that we have recs
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      • Mr_Monkey
        In your opinion, should the listen be sent by BrainzPlayer as soon as it starts playing, or do we want to wait an arbitrary amount of time before sending it?
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      • Mr_Monkey
        Something like 10 seconds?
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      • shivam-kapila
        It can be set like vlc plugin
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      • shivam-kapila
        Half of track duration
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      • shivam-kapila
        Or 4 min iirc
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      • pristine___
        > In your opinion, should the listen be sent by BrainzPlayer as soon as it starts playing, or do we want to wait an arbitrary amount of time before sending it?
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      • pristine___
        Mr_Monkey: arbitrary amount of time.
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      • pristine___
        imo
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      • Mr_Monkey
        I think Spotify considers a song listened to after 30sec, for reference
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      • iliekcomputers
        pristine___: I've moved the code in the closed pr over to https://github.com/metabrainz/listenbrainz-server…
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      • iliekcomputers
        #1097 just needs some tests and css improvements and it should be good to go.
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      • pristine___
        iliekcomputers: cool. Though a comment would have been great!
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      • iliekcomputers
        noted, will try to remember next time. it was wip, i didn't expect anyone to be monitoring it.
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      • pristine___
        Thanks! Even if no one is monitoring, I guess a closing comment will be helpful for people passing by, if any. 🌹
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      • BrainzGit
        [musicbrainz-server] reosarevok opened pull request #1719 (master…MBS-11136): MBS-11136: Support HTML in attribute descriptions https://github.com/metabrainz/musicbrainz-server/…
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      • BrainzBot
        MBS-11136: Support HTML in attribute descriptions https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/MBS-11136
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      • alastairp
        ruaok: what's your punk tag idea?
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      • ruaok
        ah, yes thanks.
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      • reosarevok
        bitmap, yvanzo: hmm. I was thinking about relationship gid_redirects :p
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      • reosarevok
        I wanted to get rid of instrument arranger and vocal arranger (there's no reason not to have those just be attributes of arranger)
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      • reosarevok
        Or well, at least once we merge instruments and vocals
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      • reosarevok
        Same with performer
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      • reosarevok
        But should we try and make it so that the old mbids still redirect to the main rel once that happens?
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      • reosarevok
        STYLE-932 is an already implemented variation of the same situation
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      • BrainzBot
        STYLE-932: Widen ‘piano technician’ to ‘[instrument] technician’ https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/STYLE-932
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      • reosarevok
        (the previous rel still exists, although deprecated, so there's no need for a redirect *yet*)
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      • bitmap
        that'd certainly be cool to have, though I'm not sure where the redirect would matter at present except for documentation
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      • reosarevok
        Given this should be a rare occurrence we could just do a redirect in ngnix, but
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      • reosarevok
        Well, if someone has, say, an old data dump, they could resolve what rel that is equivalent to now
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      • yvanzo
        IIUC, the question basically is how to merge relationship types?
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      • reosarevok
        (and yeah, see its documentation)
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      • reosarevok
        yvanzo: pretty much
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      • reosarevok
        nginx even
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      • bitmap
        we could have a small struct in the code first and decide if we want to schema change later I suppose
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      • bitmap
        since there will only be a few at most for the forseeable future
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      • yvanzo
        +1 as persistance is the main point of having MBIDs.
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      • ruaok
        iliekcomputers: sign in with your meb account.
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      • iliekcomputers
        ah
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      • iliekcomputers
        got it
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      • ruaok
        We just spent 90 minutes brainstorming and came up with a pile of stuff.
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      • ruaok
        Fodder for future roadmaps.
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      • reosarevok
        Ok, I'll keep in mind for whenever we finally remove some deprecated rels :)
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      • ruaok
        Also, do you feel like joining Mr_Monkey alastairp and myself for a hack weekend in Nov to implement playlist support in LB?
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      • ruaok
        (playlist brainz but not tlp)