fixing that doesn't require a schema change, since the mbids are already in the db
Freso
UmkaDK_: It won't be.
UmkaDK_
:(
Freso
And as kepstin said, it doesn't require a schema change.
I don't think it'd be a terribly hard thing to implement, so if you bribe ruaok to tell bitmap to get to it soonishly after the schema change, it might not be too far off.
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UmkaDK_
So once the schema upgrade goes live, we'll have the data to list multiple MBIDs for an artist (for example), but we'll have no way of getting that data out of the database...
Ok, I can do that :)
UmkaDK_ is of the get his bribing wheels on
let's try that one again...
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Freso
UmkaDK_: We *already* have the data to list multiple MBIDs for an artist.
We just haven't got an endpoint displaying this data.
We have the data for years.
UmkaDK_
I thought you are leaving? ;)
Freso
(MBS-3946 was created in 2011, so we have had the data since before that.)
I am!
UmkaDK_
Yee, I know the data is there. But there is no way of using it without it being exposed via the API
kepstin
yep, but that api could be written any time. you could get out your time machine and bribe someone to add it 5 years ago, and it would work
the data's already there, and you can already get it if you're accessing the db directly.
UmkaDK_
:)
kepstin
(it's *sort of* exposed - if you access a page via an old mbid, you'll get redirected to the new one on the website, and if you make an api call with an old mbid, it'll return the current one in the response)
UmkaDK_
Unfortunately, the people that want to use the data are accessing it via the API
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CatQuest
also sometimes, the url you're on will be another one, but the entity you're on will be the redirected one, source: happened ot me a few times
usually by old links in edit notes (not edit entities)
actual text lniks in the notes.. the edit itself this never happens
reosarevok
Freso: I have now :p
(I missed it originally)
Freso: re that DuckDuckGo mail, can't they use the same JSONLD stuff Google does?
zas
asterix starts to bug again :(
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CatQuest
duckduckgo \o/
Leo_Verto
heh, that's pretty cool
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kepstin
reosarevok: my impression was that duckduckgo doesn't actually run their own crawlers, they outsource that? all the fancy search modes are implemented by hitting external search apis
cool. I don't recognise any of the names from the academic world
but we should promote these uses as much as we do companies on metabrainz.org
Gentlecat
alastairp: will you have time to get to AB pull requests any time soon?
alastairp
it's on my "this week" list
so hopefully this week or next :)
Gentlecat
next month then? :D
alastairp
(as opposed to the last few weeks where it hasn't been on any list)
chrisskye
Thanks CallerNo6!
It is nice to be recognized...now I’m going to reach out to that project team...and see if they can support us...
Gentlecat
alastairp: I CCd you on that email about Dan's project
alastairp
Gentlecat: I saw. good recommendations
chrisskye: confirm with rob, but typically we don't ask for anything from universities
chrisskye
I agree with alastairp about how great it is to have academic users.
Gentlecat
did you have some other plans with messybrainz?
alastairp
Gentlecat: no plans yet
Gentlecat
alright
alastairp
just a vague idea that it might be useful to use to generate ids for items in these datasets
also, dimi has been working on some stuff to match audio in datasets that we have to actual mbids
chrisskye
The thing is...we are a foundation. We don’t ask other non-profits for donations, because they too need support. But when you have for profit academic institutions or groups who have funding at that level...it is appropriate to ask!
They got a $1million grant for their data project!
CallerNo6
if MeB doesn't want money from academia, maybe look at who's making the grants?
chrisskye
I’m going to remind everyone again - we are not asking for $$$ for service. We don’t sell anything. We are asking for funding from sources who can afford to help.
yes! But, that doesn’t mean organizations can’t donate to us!!!!
Gentlecat
right
chrisskye
An institution, non-profit, academic or otherwise...who has millions of dollars can help us!
It is about sharing!!!!
Inter-institution support.
We don’t have customers. We don’t have clients. We have a community.
alastairp
chrisskye: I've been involved in writing academic grants
chrisskye
And, we will take funding, donations and financial support equally from those with the goodwill to do so.
alastairp
they normally don't have a line item "$xx to give to some non-profit"
chrisskye
no they do not.
alastairp
and if they don't, it can be pretty difficult to justify it in the accounts at the end of the year
chrisskye
But, Harvard et.al. has resources...
alastairp
not saying they shouldn't
chrisskye
alastairp: I have 15+ years of university...trust me I know...
I was a legal academic...and you know what...firms pay to have their name posted on things...
Not all things are equal in academia.
I’ve worked on government funded research where they were begging me to spend $5,000 in less than 3 weeks...to “justify” the books...
Leftmost
"MetaBrainz: Where You Can Sink Your Extra Budget!" :)
chrisskye
anyhow... giving to us is always voluntary
^
Gentlecat
alastairp: I'll get back to hacking on my project (and perhaps an API) after I finish that assignment
chrisskye
...now if only we were registered as a charity in another country...where there were tax incentives...like Canada.
...people give more when they can claim 40% of it back in tax refunds...
Gentlecat
maybe will come to uni again and discuss things
chrisskye
I want $$$ for a serious server upgrade...so we can serve people who want to hit the database hard and fast...
And, funding for the Task Rabbit project...
Leftmost: ‘extra budget sink’ is a good idea...but maybe I need a list of old important people in the tech world...so we can inherit...
Leftmost
I like it.
ruaok
alastairp, CallerNo6: no UA string or "-" are both blocked IIRC.
or severely limited.
Leo_Verto
Or hire a team of elite burglars to change people's wills to inherit all the assets to MeB >:D
ruaok
elite burgers? NOM!
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CallerNo6
ruaok, so that's another vote for 'must'?
ruaok
wait what was the question? I've been talking MB all day and trying to catch up on calories right now...
CallerNo6
<CallerNo6> Q. Do I need an API key?
<CallerNo6> A. No, but you [should|must] provide a meaningful user agent string.
(for the ws/2 docs)
zas
ruaok: we had to take asterix out of rotation, bitmap and i found a serious issue, which concerns all web servers but asterix doesn't resist as well as others (perhaps because it is using reiserfs). Basically in certain cases we get huge logs, eating disk resource, causing uber slow down. Bitmap is currently trying to find a way to prevent the main issue, a
complete fix will need more time :(
ruaok
should we reinstall the OS on asterix?
bitmap
the main trigger is that the catalyst logger includes all function arguments in timeout stack traces, which can be several megabytes long for certain releases...
so I'm just going to add a sane limit there for now
zas
bitmap: if it is enough to prevent the slow down, good for now
ruaok: reinstalling to get rid of reiserfs ? well, since we should move elsewhere soon, not sure it is worth.
ruaok
k
we really need to accelerate the schedule of moving.
we're running out of time.
bitmap: thank you for the awesome email about all the banking details. for once someone sent too much banking info. :)
bitmap
haha. well, no problem
zas
ruaok: yes, i hope we'll be able to proceed during June or early July, not later.
ruaok
zas: perfect we'll make a detailed plan when you and bitmap are here.
zas
I hope so.
ruaok
and, consider this. we don't need to move everthing all at once.
discourse, metabrainz, critiquebrainz and some others can come later.
zas
Yes, we need to focus on what is eating the most bandwidth/power
And it is the db + ws
We need to ensure we can install everything fast enough, gateways are now fully in chef, web servers too, search servers too (but not the hacky autorestart yet)
So basically we can do it under a week, if all work together, and we have servers + dist ready