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      • Gentlecat
        email is also not going to work
      • Freso
        ruaok: I wasn't complaining though.
      • ruaok
        fin?
      • Freso
        E-mail isn't working now anyway.
      • ruaok goes
      • zas
        Gentlecat: what about new JIRA backups ? any option to save to S3 or the like ?
      • ruaok
        ok, onward to dev priorities.
      • TOPIC: MetaBrainz Community and Development channel | MusicBrainz non-development: #musicbrainz | MeB meeting agenda: dev priorities (ruaok), EU & cookies (ruaok), making JIRA votes public (chirlu)
      • another thing that happened last week was interviewing a new supporter relationship manager person.
      • this was BizDev, but since a lot of things I needed help with are done, I'm redefining the role.
      • and keeping it simpler with only one hat.
      • Freso gives her the stamp of approval as well, so hopefully we can close that deal soon.
      • next, I want to talk about hiring a new dev.
      • bitmap needs help, so we need a perl coder.
      • Freso
        Well, from one meeting with her, sure. :)
      • Gentlecat
        zas: I didn't look into that
      • I imagine you can just copy files there
      • ruaok
        and MBS-1806 also looms on the horizon as well. I need to review where we stand there, I want to take a different approach than what I tried last time.
      • my thought is to have Gentlecat look after the python related projects with a given priority list: 1) MeB 2) LB 3) CB
      • Freso
      • bitmap
        1806?
      • ruaok
        MeB should not take too much
      • bitmap: messaging, or whatever that number was.
      • bitmap
        ah
      • zas
        not 1806 then ;)
      • ruaok
        I will probably start over and write the specification in its entirety myself.
      • Gentlecat
        I hate to ask, but what was wrong with the old approach?
      • ruaok
        the specification was a mess and our dynamic on it was horrible.
      • Gentlecat
        seems wrong to just throw away all the work that's been done
      • Freso
        That's what you sometimes need to do.
      • ruaok
        it easier to start fresh.
      • *is
      • zas
        bitmap, ruaok: have a look at stats... queen move had a pretty impressive impact... basically response time atm is the same as the one we have in dead hours...
      • ruaok
        so, do we start looking for someone with perl skills before xmas or do we wait until the new year?
      • zas: in a bit, please.
      • well, I also want to finish the yearly reports, so I may not have time to hire someone anyway. until jan.
      • bitmap
        I'd say the sooner the better but after the new year might be less hectic
      • zas
        someone with perl skills ... better ask for Christmas...
      • ruaok
        any thoughts on my proposed ideas.
      • lol, zas
      • bitmap: if you can write a job description, we can get the ball rolling sooner.
      • zas
        and yes, sooner = better anyway
      • Freso
        I say January is a good time to start actively looking.
      • bitmap
        different from my own?
      • ruaok
        and may be we can ask Freso to help publicize it.
      • Freso
        Sure.
      • ruaok
        I think a bit less emphasis on your sysadmin prowess.
      • Freso
        December is going to be busy with putting out remaining fires from the move, GCI, and general random disappearances due to holiday season.
      • ruaok
        that will make it harder to find someone. but you're most qualified to write the description since you live it weekly.
      • bitmap
        right, I can look at it
      • ruaok
        well, lets see about knowing what we want before the year is out, so we can start fresh in jan.
      • great, thanks.
      • now, google money and dev priorities.
      • dev bonuses have been mentioned and given that xmas is coming, I think the whole team might need bonuses thanks to google.
      • no brainer.
      • Freso
        FWIW, it seems like https://opensource.careers/ makes a living off connecting Perl developers with companies. I don't know if it'd be worth maybe spending some of the Google moneys on him?
      • ruaok
        the recurring thought in the comments was the mb site design and UX.
      • I am thinking of setting aside $2000 for monkey to lay the ground work for a UI refresh -- less look and feel, but more function and ease of use.
      • have him set the stage that others can implement piecemeal over months time.
      • Freso
        Is monkey an active editor? Does he know how the site functions?
      • ruaok
        gcilou has expressed interested in helping with that.
      • at little, but he can get up to speed fast.
      • *a
      • reosarevok
        Hmm. I know http://musicbrainz.org/user/aerozol mentioned he's a UX person for a living
      • Freso
        Alright.
      • gcilou
        πŸ‘‹
      • ruaok
        good point.
      • reosarevok
        Might be interesting to ask if he's interested in getting involved? Dunno
      • ruaok
        Let me ask both of them about this proposal see what they think.
      • reosarevok
        He definitely has edited quite a bit :)
      • Freso
        Yeah. And he's definitely a very active forum user at least. Not sure about how much he edits, but it seems to be a fair amount too. :)
      • zas
        We really need to make the site more user-friendly, my thought is that MB without tons of userscripts isn't great at all as editor
      • Leftmost
        I had seen that suggestion and was wondering if it would make sense to try to come up with general patterns that would work for both MB and BB. I'm not sure what burden that would place, but it would move toward my eventual vision for BB.
      • ruaok
        I'm going to be cautious with this one, given the gsoc debacle from a few summers ago.
      • Freso
        Agreed.
      • reosarevok
        Agreed, but then I mostly edit classical. Without classical it's not *that* bad
      • But still could be much better
      • ruaok
        Leftmost: yes, I would like a style guidelines for UI development to come out of this.
      • perhaps some tools as well.
      • Freso
        Leftmost: That might be nice.
      • reosarevok
        I think we need to worry less about great UI for powerusers though
      • Freso
        Yeah.
      • reosarevok
        (because those *will* use userscripts anyway)
      • It should be more about making things as clear and helpful as possible for beginners
      • ruaok
        ok, given that we're running out of time, I'll leave this be for now.
      • zas
        Power users are using extra scripts, but i think newbies need improved UI to reduce errors, and encourage editing
      • ruaok
        please think about what is important going forward. what things would you want to fix?
      • reosarevok
        Of course if something just doesn't work at all without scripts it should be improved, but :)
      • ruaok
        we need to define out target audience and our overall goals.
      • yvanz agrees with zas, twice.
      • I will start a google doc to collect these thoughts formally in the new year.
      • Freso
        πŸ‘
      • reosarevok
        Sounds good :)
      • ruaok
        but, I think everyone has enough fires to put out for the remainder of the year, yes?
      • Freso
        Lets take cookie and vote discussion next week?
      • Let's
      • ruaok
        and then come new year, we'll se the tone for the new year.
      • Freso
        I don't think we can do either in <1min.
      • ruaok
        Freso: ok by me.
      • agreed.
      • Freso
        Alright then.
      • Thanks for tonight. :)
      • ruaok
        anytime, hot stuff!
      • zas
        Thanks, Freso ;)
      • ruaok
        errr. :p
      • Freso
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      • TOPIC: MetaBrainz Community and Development channel | MusicBrainz non-development: #musicbrainz | MeB meeting agenda: reviews, EU & cookies (ruaok), making JIRA votes public (chirlu)
      • ruaok: Was waiting for the magic moment. :)
      • Leftmost
        We went 1s over.
      • Leo_Verto
        MB target audience is an interesting question, maybe conduct some user polls?
      • ruaok
        Leo_Verto: yes, please. THanks for volunteering
      • Freso
        Leftmost: We started a second late. :)
      • Leo_Verto
        ruaok, okay, will do :D
      • zas
        ruaok, bitmap : http://stats.metabrainz.org/dashboard/db/mb-vs-... <--- see the ws on queen impact
      • ruaok
        yay, leo
      • Leftmost
        Promptness is a virtue.
      • Freso
        Leftmost: Also, log says 2016-12-05T21:00:00.524389+00:00
      • Leo_Verto
        Freso, that's still half a second too late :P
      • ruaok thinks $1000 -> office, $1500 -> team bonuses, $2500 UX/UI work.
      • Freso
        /kick Leo_Verto
      • ruaok
        da hell happened between 20h and 21h?
      • or was 21 when queen came in?
      • 20:30, more like.
      • chirlu
        Yes, Enter Queen at 21.
      • gcilou goes back to writing the essay about her skills hopes and dreams ...
      • ruaok
        k, then what happened at 20h?
      • we hit capacity and things went to shit?
      • chirlu
        Hard to tell, but whatever it was, it seems to have normalized already before queen was brought in.
      • Which was at 20:57.
      • zas
        There are plenty of things i can't explain yet, i will dig this tomorrow with more stats. For example, why Queen has slower response time ? It handles less ws requests than others though weight is the same, and why processes/threads on hip didn't move while queen came into play
      • ruaok
        the blue line in the bottom graph is also telling.
      • nothing new...
      • didn't bitmap say queen is replicating?
      • zas
        beware, some stats may have 1-2 minute delay
      • ruaok
        if so, that might explain it.
      • Gentlecat
        chirlu: about the vote thing you wanted to discuss...
      • I might be missing something, but it looks like they are public by default in new version
      • chirlu
        Oh, good.
      • Gentlecat
        I don't know if that's something that can be changed
      • or if that's just for admin users
      • zas
        But it solved the issue, loads on webservers are now much better, response time is the ~same than during low hours
      • chirlu
        For the ancient version, it could be changed. No idea about the old one.
      • zas
        bitmap: what do you think about this (queen) ?
      • chirlu
        Gentlecat: No, I can’t see votes on jirabrainz.gentle.cat.
      • Gentlecat
        hmm, interesting
      • Freso
        Okay, two final candidates for JIRA banner logo thing: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz_3cJoQhf4ncD...
      • Leo_Verto
        is it maybe because you're an admin?
      • Freso
        Leo_Verto: It is.