TOPIC: MetaBrainz Community and Development channel | MusicBrainz non-development: #musicbrainz | MeB meeting agenda: reviews, making JIRA votes public (chirlu); postponed: EU & cookies (ruaok)
CatQuest
Leo_Verto: radio! (eg together with the "artist" tuff)
chirlu
So, on JIRA (already before the upgrade), it is possible for users to vote for particular tickets.
CatQuest
(ie do you work for a label, radio etc)
Leo_Verto
ah
chirlu
For others (except admins), only the number of votes for a ticket is shown, but not who left the votes.
I propose to change that.
CatQuest
question: why?
chirlu
Question: Why not? Why should it be secret that I support ticket X?
CatQuest
perhaps to dissuade people from doing lal "why didn't you vote for x!!" etc
Freso|laptop
Is there any value gained in knowing exactly who voted for a given ticket?
ruaok
I don't see a problem with showing who voted for tickets
CallerNo6
Makes sense to me. If somebody votes, but doesn't comment, at least you'd know who to ask when looking for comments.
LordSputnik
chirlu: why is it useful to know who voted for what?
CatQuest
Freso|laptop: that's what i was thinking
LordSputnik
CallerNo6: ah, that I guess is useful...
chirlu
One example (that prompted me to propose this):
Freso|laptop
I don't see a problem with not showing it either. CallerNo6, how often has that been an issue?
CatQuest
CallerNo6: LordSputnik true, but on the other hand perhaps people would want not to be bothered with question about all the tickets they've voted on
Leo_Verto
also for example I assume everyone who voted for OTHER-261 actually wants stickers :P
chirlu
There was an MBS issue that I didn’t understand. Somebody voted for it, so obviously *they* had understood what it was about.
But since I didn’t know who it was, I couldn’t ask them to clarify.
CatQuest
you asked on the ticket though, and that wwould have prompted whomever to reply if they wanted to
chirlu
And if people don’t want to be bothered, they don’t seem so into the ticket that they should have voted in the first place …
ruaok
I see chirlu's point.
CatQuest doesn't really agree
chirlu
When someone comments, that’s public, too.
CallerNo6
Freso|laptop, I think it has a /potential/ use if not an /urgent/ one :-)
chirlu
(Not only the comment itself, but the identity of who commented, too.)
CatQuest
i've voted for *a lot* of tickets over the years. i don't want peopel to start hounding me for reasons why i voted for a ticket (or not)
reosarevok definitely would like all votes to be open, but then, I'd like many things to be open :)
chirlu: yes but like voting, it's optional, and already obvious that it's going ot be visible
do everyone who's voted on every ticet understadn that this will show?
reosarevok
I always thought votes were visible to everyone
chirlu
We could announce a change on the blog and give people, say, two weeks time to remove votes they don’t want to be seen with.
CatQuest
(and also what ticets *havent* been voted on)
reosarevok
Didn't realise it's just an admin thing
CatQuest
how do yousee what you've voted for?
Freso|laptop
CatQuest, you can search/filter for that.
I think I can make one that works for whomever is logged in you can use.
CatQuest
i mena, i don't *really* care, i just don't want peopel to like. bother me about why or why not i vote for a jira ticket. if i want to talk about it i will comment
reosarevok
So non-admins don't get a clickable number of votes?
chirlu
Of course, I agree that people should not be pressured into voting/not voting for something. If someone tries that, we should tell them off.
reosarevok: No, only a non-clickable number, but it’s configurable who gets what.
CatQuest
how about only being visible to people who have accounts?
that's like on mb proper
Freso|laptop
That can probably be done.
chirlu
That would be fine for me.
Since I have an account. ;-)
CatQuest
well genreally people who have accounts eithe report bugs or wrk on bugs s oit woudl be thme that cares about who votes for what.. i guess
chirlu
So, proposal: 1) blog post to announce the change, 2) two weeks later, make votes visible to users with an account.
reosarevok
I'm not even sure we need to announce the change
But we haven't had many blog posts lately, so I guess why not :D
Freso|laptop
Or maybe just make the change and announce it at the same time, if we're going to make the change.
I'd say it's better to announce since thing that was private before is not going to be private anymore
Freso|laptop
Anyone for chirlu's proposal, say EH.
chirlu
eh
ruaok
EH
CallerNo6
eh ( but not militantly)
CatCat
am i allowed to say "meh" ?
reosarevok
eh
Freso|laptop
CatCat, I'm not saying anything either way, as I'm not really convinced either way. :)
CatCat
(been typing up reply to leo_verto's thinger)
Mineo
the "Filters" dropdown on a jira profile page also has links to votes, votes & open, etc. filters
Freso|laptop
Alright. Motion carried.
Anything else anyone want to talk about?
chirlu, will you write up a blog post?
chirlu
I guess I will have to, unless someone else would like to.
CatCat
you're the one that started this
Freso|laptop
Alright then.
Moving on.
Thanks for tonight!
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TOPIC: MetaBrainz Community and Development channel | MusicBrainz non-development: #musicbrainz | MeB meeting agenda: reviews, EU & cookies (ruaok)
CatCat
Leo_Verto:
CatQuest
Leo_Verto: for interfacelanguage: something about asking which interface language they'd use if we had *all* of them. or if they'd just want english anyway..
also how familiar with mjority of artists.. that I .. might be you start of with more known stuff nd gradually start "adopting" pet artists and later just do things "for hire" (myself case in point) perhaps a mosre scope-y question: like give a short summary of what kinds of artist(s) you've added (what did you addfirst, what are you adding now, what are you going to add in the future, etc)
under knowledge of advanced features: add series, labels, events, places, also maybe a questino about "do you edit" in addition to "do you know" ?
what does "rate 1- 3" mean though? one is have known and 3 is use frequently?
Freso|laptop
gcilou, ^ will you enter that?
Freso|laptop is signing off for the night
Leo_Verto
CatQuest, better?
CatQuest
natta freso?
Leo_Verto: yea :D
gcilou
Freso, chirlu: sure
Freso|laptop
CatQuest, not quite yet. Pizza and Dishonored 2 first. =)
CatQuest
\o_
Leo_Verto
CatQuest, as for the familiarity with artists, I wouldn't make it too complicated
and I was planning to have a "I just love data" option for "Why do you use MB?"
CatQuest
oh I have some ideas under "improvement ideas" maybe: "what is the best about" "what is the worst" and "if you could change one thing about (whatever) what woudl you andhow?
chirlu
gcilou: Essentially just a five-corner star that can be coloured differently.
CatQuest
Leo_Verto: :D
gcilou
ok
reosarevok: that looks sketchy
CatQuest imagines all sorts of coloured stars that mean different things to different people (but why not, i'dliek to rate some song as 5 stars of "I love this song" and another 4 stars of "this is a really emotional" (and that's why i like it))
reosarevok
gcilou: I'm fairly sure it's legit, but it's probably one minute long weirdly-sounding contemporary classical
(I mean, the guy is in MB, so he exists :D )
LordSputnik
Leftmost: got time to have a quick look over the changes I pushed yesterday to entity-editing? Then I'll know whether to keep going in the same direction :)
CatQuest goes of to eat some more of his birthday cake.. maybe one day you can all have a slice :D
CatQuest
choooocolatecake
best cake, mother's recepie..
best chocolate cake ever and it doesn't have any actual chocolate in it (only cocoa)
samj1912
lol :P
CatQuest
not lol, awesome
samj1912
hehe yes :P
Freso|laptop has quit
Leo_Verto
CatQuest, heresy! it must have tiny pieces of chocolate in it
CatQuest
der dro han
samj1912 just testing
Leo_Verto: it's already made with literally butter, confectionary sugar and cocoa, and eggs, that's the cream, the cake is eggs and sugar and a little bit of flour
(and cocoa)
CallerNo6
CatQuest, going back, I think every vote or poll should have a "meh" option.
CatQuest
it doenst need chocolate
CallerNo6: :D
CallerNo6
"Meh" is like the dark matter of human existence.
Or the space between atoms.
CatQuest
nah, it's the grey. it's all " meh"
space between atoms is non-existane, nothing, vacume
source: took physics 1 and 2
Leftmost
LordSputnik, at work at the moment, but I'll take a peek as soon as I get home.
LordSputnik
Leftmost: ahh of course, OK!
CatQuest
Leo_Verto: final? for now, atleast: pretty much every question should have an " eaborate" or "optionally, tell us more" free text field. wheni take surveys, i don't always fill those out, but if theyre not threr I'll miss it when I wanted to elaborate or explain in detail.
Leo_Verto
CatQuest, okay!
I'll probably post it to the forums to get some more feedback
CatQuest
good idea!
Leo_Verto
and also ask that UX person what they'd want to know
CatQuest
I am already thinking botu how to play to some of these questions :D