(besides time, chai, a vacation....ok poor question)...
does BB have active helpers?
Leftmost
Seed data is a big one. We've tossed around a few ideas on a marked import from public domain sources, but we haven't taken any steps.
ruaok
I also perceive a bit of a chicken and the egg problem here.
there are sources for us to contact about data to import. but those conversations can be hard before we have a well functioning system.
Quesito
could it be possible to ask IA for the OL data? or do you want dummy data?
Leftmost
Ideally, we could also get some feedback from someone with more UX sense.
ruaok
back in nov I asked Leftmost to put together a MVP plan for BB. Soon I should have time to think about that in detail.
Quesito
oh--can I see it?
Leftmost
Well, the OL data is a pretty big mess. I'd been thinking the US Library of Congress, the Deutsche Nationalbibliothek, that sort of resource.
What's your MeB email? I'll share it out.
Quesito
Leftmost: I have some UX notes--although I am not a UX designer or anything of the sort....
ruaok
if I had anything to do with it, I would propose these steps: 1) MVP for editing 2) A little polish 3) Solicit data/partnerships.
Quesito
elizabeth@meb
ruaok
Quesito: is UX something that interests you?
Leftmost
Linked.
s/Linked/Shared/
zag joined the channel
Quesito
ruaok: it's something I'm taking note of for our products as far as being a newbie and understanding them....a lot of things interest me :P
Leftmost
Careful with that. A lot of things interest me, and I'm useless. ;-P
ruaok
well, we have continued demand for it. gcilou is helping, but I suspect that uni will suck her in all too soon.
Quesito
LOL--thats true Leftmost!
ruaok
if UX is something you'd like to study, and possibly get some professional support on, then I think you could be of great service to the project.
prejects. we all need help.
Quesito
ruaok: I currently have a sm idea that involves me creating a little programming that I'd like to dive into...
we see ;)
ruaok
and our prerejects, those people reject before we formally reject them.
like I should've been. :)
Leftmost
We all need help, but Freso most of all.
ruaok
Quesito: great, I'd love to see your idea and this suggestion take shape.
I thought your mom needed the most help, Leftmost
Leftmost
No, she's a lot more composed than I am. :-P
Quesito
first--back to BB Leftmost I love the idea of the level of data you want form lib of congress etc.
I am reading over your mvp plan
Leftmost
On a personal level, I'm trying an open source project for gamifying habit-building as a motivator/tracker for doing some BB work (as well as some other stuff).
ruaok
habitica?
Leftmost
That's the one!
ruaok
I haven't used it yet, but the founders of habitica wanted some OSS advice at ORD Camp.
the only free slot they could find was at...
3am
so, all the open source nerds trudged to a 3am meeting. with booze.
great meeting. :)
Quesito
Leftmost: are you in need of project management?
Leftmost
Sounds like. :)
Quesito, in what sense?
Quesito
I'd attend that 3am meeting, no problem....
ruaok
I trudged out the "We inadvertently created a 100% non-profit business model licensing free shit we don't own."
100% profit non-profit...
that got some raised eyebrows and chuckles.
Leftmost: my chicago friends promptly created a guild on habitica.
Leftmost
Very nice. I've been using it three days now and it already seems to be having a positive impact.
Quesito
Leftmost: well it seems like you have a path, and know what needs to happen.
Leftmost
I'd like to think so.
Quesito
Well just form this convo, I'm understanding the project better and where it is sitting, and/or the current issues involved.
What is your timeline for BB?
Leftmost
Glad I could help. :) And always feel free to ask questions. Keeps my mind on it, if nothing else.
Ahh, well, *mumblemumblemumble*.
Quesito
lol
Quesito feels bad about monday morning badgering of team....
Leftmost
Badgering me is how you get me to do things. :-P
ruaok
something has to get us going. :)
scream driven, as I like to call it.
HEY ROB, DO THIS SHIT!
oh ok. :)
Leftmost
"Sean, why haven't you done this?" "Oh, crap, on it!"
agentsim has quit
ruaok wonders who sean is
Some nerd.
samj1912
Freso they want an offline song duplicate detector, I think acoustid will do good for that
Freso
Ah, yes.
Not 100%, but probably Close Enoughâ„¢.
samj1912
They can use temporary uuids to compare, I'd recommend musicbrainz but they want something offline
Freso
(Esp. "karaoke"/instrumental versions and vocal versions seem to be prone to getting the same AcoustID.)
Well, isn't an AcoustID a UUID?
Quesito
i'm ok with a little badgering....but monday is already a rough day ;)
Freso
But I think maybe AcoustIDs are also generated upstream.
But they could run their own acoustid server....
Or they could just use the AcoustID/fpcalc fingerprints.
Leftmost offers Quesito some homemade cheese. (Nothing fancy, just paneer.)
But yeah, advocating AcoustID with this would certainly be good. Getting wider usage of one of our related projects and avoiding another xkcd:927.
Quesito
So Leftmost timeline is left on the table, perhaps you all need some developers to help?
Leftmost
I'd say so. Only Ben and I really contribute at this pont, and there's a lot of work to be done between the two of us, with both of us working.
Quesito
Leftmost: will always accept paneer....(and most cheeses) but a good homemade paneer is priceless
;)
yeah, ok. I dont know anything about habitica, or if it's personal use versus open-- how do you feel about using the boards in jira?
Freso
Quesito: Jira has the downside that it's only really relevant for MeB stuff. (But yes, MeB stuff should surely go there!)
Quesito
or are you and Ben in a position to have some contributors help at this point? (with ease?)
I've been wanting to do that. We use them at work, and I find them very helpful there. Habitica isn't really meant to be detailed project tracking, just a way to get me to think about BB periodically.
I set up a kanban board for BB, but haven't taken the time to really put it together.
Freso
samj1912: :)
Quesito
right on Leftmost. perhaps this may help with community members helping out periodically.
It's quite a nice project. and it could go in some very nice directions.
Freso: how is Jira only really relevant for MeB stuff?
ruaok
Quesito, Freso, Gentlecat, alastairp: zas is in town. Anyone up for drinks or dinner?
Quesito
Leftmost: I'll marinate on the info from this convo--and may have more questions for you in the future. For the moment you have been very helpful on getting me up to speed about BB. I appreciate you taking the time!
ruaok: In!
Freso
Quesito: It's hosted by Jira, so you wouldn't want to put in "Drink 2l of water", "Read 3 pages in a book", "Contact person from XYZ about scholarship", ...
zas
in!
Freso
*hosted by MeB
ruaok
we'll have to say no to strippers and coke this time, since zas' daughter is likely in going to be in tow. :)
Freso
In. :)
Leftmost
No problem at all!
zas
haha
Gentlecat
what's wrong with coke?
Leftmost
ruaok, so it has to be strippers XOR coke?
ruaok
Quesito: will you do the honors and choose a place this time. people will give you less grief if you make the less than absolutely perfect restaurant choice. :)
Leftmost: <3
Gentlecat: you sure you're thinking about the right coke?
Quesito
ruaok: sure....np
Gentlecat
probably not
ruaok
oh and fair warning: this will be a "no mobile phones event". put your phone in the tech stack at the beginning.
Quesito
ruaok: is it drinks or dinner? or both?
ruaok
the first person to pull their phone out before dinner is over, pays the bill.
Quesito
(since it's not strippers or coke?)
Gentlecat
mobile world dinner
ruaok
Quesito: I'm happy to do both.
zas
drinks+diner+no phone... nice concept
much better than no drinks+no diner+phone anyway
ruaok
zas: yep. and if everyone is respectful with their phones, metabrainz pays.
zas: yes, much nicer.
Quesito
Freso: so I'm confused--I was talking about using jira to keep track of BB issues/goals...
Freso
Quesito: Right. Habitica is not the place to do that. :)
ruaok dreadfully trudges towards correos
Quesito: Habitica is like a gamified personal to-do list.
Quesito
zas: any eating preferences?
Freso: yes, which from my understanding is what Leftmost is trying out for himself.
Freso
Yep.
reosarevok and myself at least are also using it.
zas
not really, hardly ate anything bad in bcn yet
Quesito
Freso: I think we are both saying the same thing :)
Leftmost
Freso, are we going to have to create a MeB guild or party?
Freso
Leftmost: Sure!
Quesito
right on zas!
Quesito maybe i need to try this gamify thing for personal projects too......sounds fun....
Leftmost: one last q for today--is this MVP doc up to date with needs etc? all are current right?
Leftmost
Should be.
Quesito
awesome thanks
Freso: just to circle back--to ensure I am understanding correctly we should all be using Jira for MeB projects, right?
Freso
Yes!
Quesito
awesome we are on the same page! ;D
zas: whats the age range of your kiddo so I can pick an appropriate place (probably without strippers and/or coke) ?
alastairp
ruaok: drinks or dinner sounds fun. I'm busy today + tomorrow but can probably fit any other day this week
zas
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Quesito
gracias :)
alastairp
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