#metabrainz

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      • Quesito
        (besides time, chai, a vacation....ok poor question)...
      • does BB have active helpers?
      • Leftmost
        Seed data is a big one. We've tossed around a few ideas on a marked import from public domain sources, but we haven't taken any steps.
      • ruaok
        I also perceive a bit of a chicken and the egg problem here.
      • there are sources for us to contact about data to import. but those conversations can be hard before we have a well functioning system.
      • Quesito
        could it be possible to ask IA for the OL data? or do you want dummy data?
      • Leftmost
        Ideally, we could also get some feedback from someone with more UX sense.
      • ruaok
        back in nov I asked Leftmost to put together a MVP plan for BB. Soon I should have time to think about that in detail.
      • Quesito
        oh--can I see it?
      • Leftmost
        Well, the OL data is a pretty big mess. I'd been thinking the US Library of Congress, the Deutsche Nationalbibliothek, that sort of resource.
      • What's your MeB email? I'll share it out.
      • Quesito
        Leftmost: I have some UX notes--although I am not a UX designer or anything of the sort....
      • ruaok
        if I had anything to do with it, I would propose these steps: 1) MVP for editing 2) A little polish 3) Solicit data/partnerships.
      • Quesito
        elizabeth@meb
      • ruaok
        Quesito: is UX something that interests you?
      • Leftmost
        Linked.
      • s/Linked/Shared/
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      • Quesito
        ruaok: it's something I'm taking note of for our products as far as being a newbie and understanding them....a lot of things interest me :P
      • Leftmost
        Careful with that. A lot of things interest me, and I'm useless. ;-P
      • ruaok
        well, we have continued demand for it. gcilou is helping, but I suspect that uni will suck her in all too soon.
      • Quesito
        LOL--thats true Leftmost!
      • ruaok
        if UX is something you'd like to study, and possibly get some professional support on, then I think you could be of great service to the project.
      • prejects. we all need help.
      • Quesito
        ruaok: I currently have a sm idea that involves me creating a little programming that I'd like to dive into...
      • we see ;)
      • ruaok
        and our prerejects, those people reject before we formally reject them.
      • like I should've been. :)
      • Leftmost
        We all need help, but Freso most of all.
      • ruaok
        Quesito: great, I'd love to see your idea and this suggestion take shape.
      • I thought your mom needed the most help, Leftmost
      • Leftmost
        No, she's a lot more composed than I am. :-P
      • Quesito
        first--back to BB Leftmost I love the idea of the level of data you want form lib of congress etc.
      • I am reading over your mvp plan
      • Leftmost
        On a personal level, I'm trying an open source project for gamifying habit-building as a motivator/tracker for doing some BB work (as well as some other stuff).
      • ruaok
        habitica?
      • Leftmost
        That's the one!
      • ruaok
        I haven't used it yet, but the founders of habitica wanted some OSS advice at ORD Camp.
      • the only free slot they could find was at...
      • 3am
      • so, all the open source nerds trudged to a 3am meeting. with booze.
      • great meeting. :)
      • Quesito
        Leftmost: are you in need of project management?
      • Leftmost
        Sounds like. :)
      • Quesito, in what sense?
      • Quesito
        I'd attend that 3am meeting, no problem....
      • ruaok
        I trudged out the "We inadvertently created a 100% non-profit business model licensing free shit we don't own."
      • 100% profit non-profit...
      • that got some raised eyebrows and chuckles.
      • Leftmost: my chicago friends promptly created a guild on habitica.
      • Leftmost
        Very nice. I've been using it three days now and it already seems to be having a positive impact.
      • Quesito
        Leftmost: well it seems like you have a path, and know what needs to happen.
      • Leftmost
        I'd like to think so.
      • Quesito
        Well just form this convo, I'm understanding the project better and where it is sitting, and/or the current issues involved.
      • What is your timeline for BB?
      • Leftmost
        Glad I could help. :) And always feel free to ask questions. Keeps my mind on it, if nothing else.
      • Ahh, well, *mumblemumblemumble*.
      • Quesito
        lol
      • Quesito feels bad about monday morning badgering of team....
      • Leftmost
        Badgering me is how you get me to do things. :-P
      • ruaok
        something has to get us going. :)
      • scream driven, as I like to call it.
      • HEY ROB, DO THIS SHIT!
      • oh ok. :)
      • Leftmost
        "Sean, why haven't you done this?" "Oh, crap, on it!"
      • agentsim has quit
      • ruaok wonders who sean is
      • Some nerd.
      • samj1912
        Freso they want an offline song duplicate detector, I think acoustid will do good for that
      • Freso
        Ah, yes.
      • Not 100%, but probably Close Enoughâ„¢.
      • samj1912
        They can use temporary uuids to compare, I'd recommend musicbrainz but they want something offline
      • Freso
        (Esp. "karaoke"/instrumental versions and vocal versions seem to be prone to getting the same AcoustID.)
      • Well, isn't an AcoustID a UUID?
      • Quesito
        i'm ok with a little badgering....but monday is already a rough day ;)
      • Freso
        But I think maybe AcoustIDs are also generated upstream.
      • But they could run their own acoustid server....
      • Or they could just use the AcoustID/fpcalc fingerprints.
      • Leftmost offers Quesito some homemade cheese. (Nothing fancy, just paneer.)
      • But yeah, advocating AcoustID with this would certainly be good. Getting wider usage of one of our related projects and avoiding another xkcd:927.
      • Quesito
        So Leftmost timeline is left on the table, perhaps you all need some developers to help?
      • Leftmost
        I'd say so. Only Ben and I really contribute at this pont, and there's a lot of work to be done between the two of us, with both of us working.
      • Quesito
        Leftmost: will always accept paneer....(and most cheeses) but a good homemade paneer is priceless
      • ;)
      • yeah, ok. I dont know anything about habitica, or if it's personal use versus open-- how do you feel about using the boards in jira?
      • Freso
        Quesito: Jira has the downside that it's only really relevant for MeB stuff. (But yes, MeB stuff should surely go there!)
      • Quesito
        or are you and Ben in a position to have some contributors help at this point? (with ease?)
      • samj1912
      • Leftmost
        I've been wanting to do that. We use them at work, and I find them very helpful there. Habitica isn't really meant to be detailed project tracking, just a way to get me to think about BB periodically.
      • I set up a kanban board for BB, but haven't taken the time to really put it together.
      • Freso
        samj1912: :)
      • Quesito
        right on Leftmost. perhaps this may help with community members helping out periodically.
      • It's quite a nice project. and it could go in some very nice directions.
      • Freso: how is Jira only really relevant for MeB stuff?
      • ruaok
        Quesito, Freso, Gentlecat, alastairp: zas is in town. Anyone up for drinks or dinner?
      • Quesito
        Leftmost: I'll marinate on the info from this convo--and may have more questions for you in the future. For the moment you have been very helpful on getting me up to speed about BB. I appreciate you taking the time!
      • ruaok: In!
      • Freso
        Quesito: It's hosted by Jira, so you wouldn't want to put in "Drink 2l of water", "Read 3 pages in a book", "Contact person from XYZ about scholarship", ...
      • zas
        in!
      • Freso
        *hosted by MeB
      • ruaok
        we'll have to say no to strippers and coke this time, since zas' daughter is likely in going to be in tow. :)
      • Freso
        In. :)
      • Leftmost
        No problem at all!
      • zas
        haha
      • Gentlecat
        what's wrong with coke?
      • Leftmost
        ruaok, so it has to be strippers XOR coke?
      • ruaok
        Quesito: will you do the honors and choose a place this time. people will give you less grief if you make the less than absolutely perfect restaurant choice. :)
      • Leftmost: <3
      • Gentlecat: you sure you're thinking about the right coke?
      • Quesito
        ruaok: sure....np
      • Gentlecat
        probably not
      • ruaok
        oh and fair warning: this will be a "no mobile phones event". put your phone in the tech stack at the beginning.
      • Quesito
        ruaok: is it drinks or dinner? or both?
      • ruaok
        the first person to pull their phone out before dinner is over, pays the bill.
      • Quesito
        (since it's not strippers or coke?)
      • Gentlecat
        mobile world dinner
      • ruaok
        Quesito: I'm happy to do both.
      • zas
        drinks+diner+no phone... nice concept
      • much better than no drinks+no diner+phone anyway
      • ruaok
        zas: yep. and if everyone is respectful with their phones, metabrainz pays.
      • zas: yes, much nicer.
      • Quesito
        Freso: so I'm confused--I was talking about using jira to keep track of BB issues/goals...
      • Freso
        Quesito: Right. Habitica is not the place to do that. :)
      • ruaok dreadfully trudges towards correos
      • Quesito: Habitica is like a gamified personal to-do list.
      • Quesito
        zas: any eating preferences?
      • Freso: yes, which from my understanding is what Leftmost is trying out for himself.
      • Freso
        Yep.
      • reosarevok and myself at least are also using it.
      • zas
        not really, hardly ate anything bad in bcn yet
      • Quesito
        Freso: I think we are both saying the same thing :)
      • Leftmost
        Freso, are we going to have to create a MeB guild or party?
      • Freso
        Leftmost: Sure!
      • Quesito
        right on zas!
      • Quesito maybe i need to try this gamify thing for personal projects too......sounds fun....
      • Leftmost: one last q for today--is this MVP doc up to date with needs etc? all are current right?
      • Leftmost
        Should be.
      • Quesito
        awesome thanks
      • Freso: just to circle back--to ensure I am understanding correctly we should all be using Jira for MeB projects, right?
      • Freso
        Yes!
      • Quesito
        awesome we are on the same page! ;D
      • zas: whats the age range of your kiddo so I can pick an appropriate place (probably without strippers and/or coke) ?
      • alastairp
        ruaok: drinks or dinner sounds fun. I'm busy today + tomorrow but can probably fit any other day this week
      • zas
        12
      • Quesito
        gracias :)
      • alastairp
        > As you may know, through the various banners hanging in the Gutenberg Square, Thursday 2 March student unions are calling to strike.
      • ahh, spain
      • Quesito
        Leftmost: is it possible to add a goals page to BB, like https://listenbrainz.org/goals?
      • Leftmost
        Sure.