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      • Leo_Verto
        but I did kinda promise to seperate the demo data
      • CatQuest
        soudns to me that that is a separate demo graph
      • "members by age"
      • menbers by age x ages of active in mb"
      • and make a two line graph thingy
      • or dots
      • so you get to se the pattern of how old they are contra how old they where whne they joined
      • Quesito
        Leo_Verto: do we wanna do some graphs perhaps for a "presentation of results" or such?
      • CatQuest
        yes!
      • Leo_Verto
        I know, I'd love to do that, but users responded to the survey under the impression that I wouldn't cross-reference the demographic data with anything else (e.g. to find out the MB usernames or email addresses of industry people)
      • yes
      • definitely
      • CatQuest
        those are cool
      • Leo_Verto
        graphs all the way
      • and a map
      • Quesito
        maybe close down the survey a few weeks ahead of Oct 1st then....
      • CatQuest
        Leo_Verto: but isn't "demographics" also the sort of things like "members by age, gender(orwhatever) shoesize, time joined" etc?
      • maybe i understnad the word wrong..
      • Leo_Verto
        the language and country questions will need some cleanup but I'm really looking forward to the map of users worldwide
      • CatQuest
        :O
      • that soudns really cool
      • Quesito
        me too Leo_Verto!!!
      • sound super cool
      • CatQuest
        oh so not "avarage age by continent" is not ok?
      • Quesito working on artists worldwide right now....
      • Leo_Verto
        CatQuest: the "for how long have you been using MB"-question is not part of the demo data
      • CatQuest
        aww, but I love silly things liek that :O
      • Leo_Verto
        "average age by continent" is fine
      • CatQuest
        Leo_Verto: it wasn't???
      • oh.
      • i thoguht it was
      • Leo_Verto
        but I'm going to seperate the demo data from the rest and scramble the order of both
      • CatQuest
        no wai, I remember explicitly telling for how long
      • Leo_Verto
        well yeah, it's part of the first section
      • CatQuest
        uhh.. ok i don't understand and probably it's becasue attentino or english
      • Leo_Verto
        hmm, let me try to explain it
      • we've got the general MB questions and the demo questions
      • in the survey, I promised to process and analyze the demo data seperately from the rest
      • CatQuest
        yea the test survey
      • wait? that was to be included?
      • Leo_Verto
        with the idea that people may be more open if they know that their personal data isn't referenced to their other answers, including their username or email
      • so what I'm going to do is split them into two datasets, one of general questions and for demo
      • CatQuest
        but the demo was jsut for testing???
      • Leo_Verto
        both of those are going to be released (without usernames and emails of course) and I'll analyze both in seperate blog posts, using only the data that is publicly released
      • and that means I can't cross-reference them or people would be able to figure out which demo data entry is associated to which general data entry
      • CatQuest
        but what if someone added bogus info i nthe test version+ I mena i basically copy pasted my answers
      • Leo_Verto
        oh, I'm not really talking about that right now
      • the test version answers are not going to be included
      • CatQuest
        uh.. so what is "demo"
      • Leo_Verto
        I've got the response date as part of the data after all
      • demographics data
      • CatQuest
        oh
      • uh bit as i took it i was unaware that some parts were "demograpic" and others wher "nope"
      • anyway I am not suggestings 1-1 cross refrencials. I am talking about a grap that shows the general trend of "how old" vs "how long in mb"
      • those shouldn't be able to refrence to things lie kusernames
      • nor should you be able to pinpoint that *this* 50 year old is *this* long in mb* is *this spesifc person with other answers*
      • it's bsically to answer this question i was wondering: the majority of our 50 or ouler, did they start mb when 50 or older or wher ethey 40 or older at the time :D
      • Leo_Verto
        that'd require at least some fuzzying of the data or outliers (like the one 81-year-old) would still be indetifiable
      • CatQuest
        hmm..
      • well aren't most grpahs a it fuzzy?
      • :D
      • Quesito
        now we get into data ethics....:D
      • CatQuest
        but ok, I think I get your objectino now
      • i was very confused :)
      • Quesito
        Leo_Verto: I'll keep trying with the reminders on twitter and such...I go on a bit of holiday till after you return...so maybe we formulate a plan for the closure timing and graph work first week in September?
      • Leo_Verto
        sure
      • Quesito
        right on
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        [listenbrainz-server] paramsingh opened pull request #243: Make info view accessible only for logged in current user (production...login-required) https://git.io/v7237
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      • Sophist-UK
        Is CAA having difficulties again? Just added some cover art and it has failed to display even after several minutes. https://musicbrainz.org/release/72f1c79d-631c-4...
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        [sir] gentlecat closed pull request #24: Additional fixes for the wscompat.convert module (master...converter) https://git.io/v72lz
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      • bitmap
        Sophist-UK: well the IA is kind of busy, you can see the current lag time for CAA stuff in the -6 cat there https://archive.org/derive-wait.php
      • Sophist-UK
        According to that page, there is a hardware problem.
      • Quesito
        bitmap: do you know if CAA or anyone else host images of artists (not just 'covers') ?
      • Sophist-UK
        But thanks for the link BTW bitmap.
      • bitmap
        Quesito: not the CAA but I know wikimedia commons has some
      • reosarevok
        Quesito: all the ones we use now are Commons ones
      • bitmap
        Sophist-UK: I think you have to be logged in to see it, sorry
      • Quesito
        thanks bitmap and reosarevok! I figured so...we have a supporter in search of a db of just artist images...
      • Sophist-UK
        No - worked fine. If you clic on the "cat" links it says data is read-only awaiting hard drive repalcement
      • reosarevok
        There's also https://fanart.tv/music-fanart/ but not sure how useful it is
      • (and/or ok for official uses)
      • bitmap
        oh, huh. I don't see that, I get a list of items in the queue
      • Quesito
        right on
      • bitmap
        (the release you linked is one of the items there)
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      • Zastai
        is there a known issue with all tracks on the Attach CD TOC page showing as deleted? A quick Jira search doesn't immediately show anything.
      • Gentlecat
        Mineo: would you mind taking a look at this function https://github.com/metabrainz/sir/blob/master/s...
      • I'm trying to see if there are any issues with the implementation
      • have some issues with release updates
      • with release-group core and `releases` path I hit an error because I get a PK `release_group` for this selection: `SELECT release_group.id FROM musicbrainz.release_group WHERE release_group.id IN (:ids)`
      • so I don't have a reference to pick a PK from the original message `{"_table": "release", "id": 1978055}`
      • CatQuest
        Zastai: a screensgort of wh you mean would be ace becasue that sounds vey weird
      • Zastai
        I created a ticket for it. Basically the tracklist is rendered in grey with the stippled underline and the "deleted, cannot display properly" tooltip
      • MBS-9422
      • BrainzBot
        MBS-9422: Attach CD TOC page shows all tracks in tracklists as deleted https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/MBS-9422
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      • CatQuest
        Zastai: that's odd. i don't usually get that..
      • maybe it's to prevent peopel clicking the tracks and navigating away?
      • no idea
      • Zastai
        First time I noticed it, but I've been away from MB for over a month.
      • CatQuest
      • doesnt do that
      • Zastai
        interesting
      • CatQuest
        huuuuh... so what to do if a release has one barcode but the back of the cover has a sticker over it in that palce?
      • 730099561921 for original and 4891030506190 the sticker
      • and what to do about cd tocs being duplicated too?
      • Zastai
        in those cases I add the sticker as barcode and an annotation
      • CatQuest
        almost as if it's literally the same jsut with multiple barcodes/thing
      • eh release things
      • Zastai
        but then the cases I've seen, the back's barcode was a misprint
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      • CatQuest
        likly this was a german cd which was simply "rebranded" with a sticker for outerGermany selling
      • reosarevok: this is naxos, any imputt?
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