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      • reosarevok
        As I said, we don't allow home-made compilations
      • x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
        key word official
      • CatQuest ♫♪♬ NP: Ayhan Sicimoğlu - Istanbul pas Constantinople (from The Rough Guide to World Music for Children) ♫♪♬
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      • reosarevok
        If we have some, they should probably be removed, unless they're *widely* circulated bootlegs
      • x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
        but even *official* compilations should be overriden by the creator of that song himself
      • reosarevok
        Why?
      • SothoTalker_
        if you sell your compilation, that's official, because you surely got all the licenses for distributing, right?
      • reosarevok
        If I have a compilation, I want to tag with it
      • If I have "The Best 100 Love Songs of the 80s", why would I want each track to be tagged as some different album?
      • CatQuest
        i wouldn't want to tag that song with te originla album (evne tho i'm sure it's awesome too)
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      • x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
        well then whats the point?
      • SothoTalker_
        accuracy
      • CatQuest
        accuracy
      • x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
        sure that benefits you but what about everyone else?
      • CatQuest
        ehm
      • we are the everyone else
      • x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
        in that case accuracy would be relative
      • reosarevok
        We have the original album. We also have the original compilation. We know both exist, and both can be used
      • SothoTalker_
        you are the first person which has a problem with that.
      • reosarevok
        How is that inaccurate or problematic?
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      • CatQuest
        especially if you can configure the tagger to do as yo uwant
      • x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
        you have a song from compilation a, i got it from compilation b
      • who has the right one?
      • reosarevok
        If it's the same, the recording will be shared by both compilations
      • CatQuest
        then yo ushoudl tag it with compilation b!
      • x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
        wouldnt the official artist of that song be the most accurat?
      • reosarevok
        What's "the right one"?
      • CatQuest
        well the artist sholdn't be differnt
      • reosarevok isn't sure what you mean by the right one here
      • x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
        but what about the album made by the artist
      • CatQuest
        yes?
      • reosarevok
        That is also available, and you're very welcome to purchase? I guess
      • * + it
      • CatQuest
        you get the track from ther yo utag it from there
      • x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
        but why isnt that the default?
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      • reosarevok
        If I'm ripping the original album, I'll tag it with the original album, obviously
      • SothoTalker_
        if you got the track from the album, then you should tag it with data from the album. if you got it from a compilation, you should tag it with data from the compilation.
      • x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
        i dont have a problem with compilations
      • CatQuest
        that's accuracy yea. especially with fingerprints
      • x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
        but i have a problem when they get selected over the original
      • CatQuest
        and we say: yo ucna make picard *not* do that
      • reosarevok
        If you have the original album, just tag with the album. Scan isn't always ideal for that, cluster + lookup can be better for full-album tagging if you have the full album and half-decent tags
      • CatQuest nods
      • Since scan can't know where you got it from, but lookup can use your current album title field for a best guess
      • CatQuest
        yes!
      • (don't submit he fingerprint unless you're sure it really *is* the same recording tho)
      • x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
        okay i get that
      • CallerNo6
        also: if I have the digital track "Celebration" (Kool and the Gang), I almost certainly got it from one of the bajillion compilations that it's on, not from the album.
      • reosarevok
        I'm not 100% sure what's the first Scan pick if you don't configure anything
      • x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
        exactly
      • reosarevok
        samj1912 might know
      • x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
        what im asking, is that with scan, without knowing the source or whatever, why isnt the original the default?
      • CatQuest
        becasue you ahvent configured picard to do what yo uwant
      • yet
      • reosarevok
        Because there's no reason to believe the file came from the original album or single rather than any other source, for the average user
      • x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
        key word *default*
      • CatQuest
        key words: for *you*
      • x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
        reosarevok, what??
      • " no reason to believe the file came from the original album or single" why not?
      • CatQuest
        becasue there isn't
      • reosarevok
        As CallerNo6 said: for many popular songs, it's much more likely that the average user got them from a compilation
      • CatQuest
        compilations like ,excists
      • x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
        if the original author made the song why wouldnt you believe they made it?
      • ListMyCDs
        x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ> : Sounds like you should use Picard option https://picard.musicbrainz.org/docs/options/#pr... if you haven't already
      • reosarevok
        (many more people listen to "best of the 80s" compilations than to the full albums they came from)
      • CatQuest
        if you have a compilaion where the artist i differnt yo umay have am isstagged cover
      • x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
        *sigh*
      • CallerNo6
        ("least bad of the 80s", but otherwise +1)
      • reosarevok
        CallerNo6: I'm the least bad of the 80s.
      • CatQuest
        hey the 80's where ok CallerNo6 !
      • :D
      • reosarevok: XD
      • x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
        so basically we go with the inaccurate default because everyone does?
      • reosarevok
        Ok, "not the worse of the 80s", at least
      • SothoTalker_
        yes, the original artists made the songs, but that does not mean your particular mp3 file was made from the original source. it could also come from a compilation.
      • reosarevok
        x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ: I still don't understand why it is inaccurate
      • CatQuest
        my god jsut think of "lambada" for m"kaoma" or any one hit wonder. hell, I don't evne know what album that is from, and it's one of my favourite sons :O
      • reosarevok
        It would be inaccurate if that compilation didn't actually contain that track, of course
      • x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
        SothoTalker_, im talking about the exact same song
      • SothoTalker_
        me too
      • x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
        well if it came from a compilation then fine, set it to the compilation
      • SothoTalker_
        what if an artist has released the song on a few different releases?
      • CatQuest
        do they have the same recording id?
      • reosarevok
        It would also be inaccurate if the compilation claimed the track was by some other random artist, which sometimes happens, although we try to improve that
      • SothoTalker_
        not compilations
      • x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
        CatQuest, yes
      • CatQuest
        aahaa now we're geting to it
      • x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
        finally
      • CatQuest
        you should have said that right away
      • x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
        i thought that was pretty obvious when i said the same recording
      • CatQuest
        no, sorry, I missed that
      • (and "recording" cna be missunderstood)
      • also giving a link coudl be usefull to :)
      • SothoTalker_
        it could still be the version from the compilation :D
      • x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
        okay, so, to sum up what im saying: with a single song, (same id, same recording same everything) but with different albums, some being compilations, why isnt the offical album the default selection?
      • reosarevok
        In that case, we're giving you all the needed info: this is in both this compilation and this album. If you only listen to albums, take the compilation slider all the way to "ignore compilations", and the album one all the way to "always use albums"
      • ruaok
        iliekcomputers: latest PR deployed
      • reosarevok
        What official album? :) The original vinyl? The original CD re-release? The latest re-release with bonus tracks on sale now?
      • :p
      • x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
        reosarevok, i did
      • reosarevok
        It's never that simple
      • CatQuest
        so then for x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ the albums *will* be default
      • x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
        but its not working here
      • iliekcomputers
        ruaok: phew
      • CatQuest
        if it's not working then that is a big in picard
      • bug*
      • reosarevok
        I don't know exactly how it works to be fair, which is why I mentioned posting in the forum :) But it might be that Picard has a problem, yeah. It's just the problem is certainly not of what it picks by default
      • x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
        i think thats exactly what the problem is m8
      • reosarevok
        I've (rarely) had it pick a compilation when I have an album
      • CallerNo6
        tangent: it'd be kinda cool to be able to express in tags "this recording came from this compilation, but also here's the original album info for reference"
      • reosarevok
        In those cases, I check the recording, pick the right album, drag-and-drop, solved
      • x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
        :|
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      • probably should have just switched to itunes
      • reosarevok
        I guess it might be more common if I didn't listen mostly to obscure contemporary classical music and/or hip hop too new to be on rereleases, but
      • reosarevok sounds like a horrible hipster now, is sorry
      • CatQuest
        :D
      • CatQuest isn't a hipster but a hippie. all the compilatinos of bollywood music and ragas, world music and metal :D
      • x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
        great, now the compilation have album tags
      • reosarevok
        Isn't that what you asked for?
      • reosarevok is confused
      • CatQuest
        .. yea?
      • x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
        reosarevok, i want the official stuff
      • aka albums
      • but im getting compilations
      • CatQuest
        then make picard prefer album
      • x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
        because they have the album tag
      • reosarevok
        Oh
      • x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
        i did
      • CatQuest
        see this is why i never tag comps iwth "album" :D
      • hah
      • reosarevok
        Sure, they're album + compilation. So that might be an issue with Picard if it can't ignore those
      • x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
        *sigh*
      • CatQuest
        indeed
      • reosarevok
        samj1912: do you know if that's the case?
      • CatQuest
        that's soemthing we cna fix
      • reosarevok
        (well they're compilation albums, after all :) )
      • x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
        :|
      • CatQuest
        reosarevok: njaaa.. i don't really agree but i'm not winning that battle
      • SothoTalker_
        isn't there a rule to disallow compilations? :D
      • reosarevok
        I'd expect saying "no compilations" to also block anything that has X + compilation though
      • x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
        dragging the slider to 0? i did that
      • reosarevok
        If it doesn't do that, that probably should be changed :)
      • CatQuest
        yes
      • SothoTalker_
        which version of picard?
      • CatQuest
        reosarevok: it's late for sma and the indians tho, so maybe ask tomorrow morning