CatQuest ♫♪♬ NP: Ayhan Sicimoğlu - Istanbul pas Constantinople (from The Rough Guide to World Music for Children) ♫♪♬
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reosarevok
If we have some, they should probably be removed, unless they're *widely* circulated bootlegs
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
but even *official* compilations should be overriden by the creator of that song himself
reosarevok
Why?
SothoTalker_
if you sell your compilation, that's official, because you surely got all the licenses for distributing, right?
reosarevok
If I have a compilation, I want to tag with it
If I have "The Best 100 Love Songs of the 80s", why would I want each track to be tagged as some different album?
CatQuest
i wouldn't want to tag that song with te originla album (evne tho i'm sure it's awesome too)
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x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
well then whats the point?
SothoTalker_
accuracy
CatQuest
accuracy
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
sure that benefits you but what about everyone else?
CatQuest
ehm
we are the everyone else
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
in that case accuracy would be relative
reosarevok
We have the original album. We also have the original compilation. We know both exist, and both can be used
SothoTalker_
you are the first person which has a problem with that.
reosarevok
How is that inaccurate or problematic?
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CatQuest
especially if you can configure the tagger to do as yo uwant
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
you have a song from compilation a, i got it from compilation b
who has the right one?
reosarevok
If it's the same, the recording will be shared by both compilations
CatQuest
then yo ushoudl tag it with compilation b!
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
wouldnt the official artist of that song be the most accurat?
reosarevok
What's "the right one"?
CatQuest
well the artist sholdn't be differnt
reosarevok isn't sure what you mean by the right one here
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
but what about the album made by the artist
CatQuest
yes?
reosarevok
That is also available, and you're very welcome to purchase? I guess
* + it
CatQuest
you get the track from ther yo utag it from there
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
but why isnt that the default?
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reosarevok
If I'm ripping the original album, I'll tag it with the original album, obviously
SothoTalker_
if you got the track from the album, then you should tag it with data from the album. if you got it from a compilation, you should tag it with data from the compilation.
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
i dont have a problem with compilations
CatQuest
that's accuracy yea. especially with fingerprints
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
but i have a problem when they get selected over the original
CatQuest
and we say: yo ucna make picard *not* do that
reosarevok
If you have the original album, just tag with the album. Scan isn't always ideal for that, cluster + lookup can be better for full-album tagging if you have the full album and half-decent tags
CatQuest nods
Since scan can't know where you got it from, but lookup can use your current album title field for a best guess
CatQuest
yes!
(don't submit he fingerprint unless you're sure it really *is* the same recording tho)
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
okay i get that
CallerNo6
also: if I have the digital track "Celebration" (Kool and the Gang), I almost certainly got it from one of the bajillion compilations that it's on, not from the album.
reosarevok
I'm not 100% sure what's the first Scan pick if you don't configure anything
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
exactly
reosarevok
samj1912 might know
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
what im asking, is that with scan, without knowing the source or whatever, why isnt the original the default?
CatQuest
becasue you ahvent configured picard to do what yo uwant
yet
reosarevok
Because there's no reason to believe the file came from the original album or single rather than any other source, for the average user
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
key word *default*
CatQuest
key words: for *you*
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
reosarevok, what??
" no reason to believe the file came from the original album or single" why not?
CatQuest
becasue there isn't
reosarevok
As CallerNo6 said: for many popular songs, it's much more likely that the average user got them from a compilation
CatQuest
compilations like ,excists
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
if the original author made the song why wouldnt you believe they made it?
(many more people listen to "best of the 80s" compilations than to the full albums they came from)
CatQuest
if you have a compilaion where the artist i differnt yo umay have am isstagged cover
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
*sigh*
CallerNo6
("least bad of the 80s", but otherwise +1)
reosarevok
CallerNo6: I'm the least bad of the 80s.
CatQuest
hey the 80's where ok CallerNo6 !
:D
reosarevok: XD
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
so basically we go with the inaccurate default because everyone does?
reosarevok
Ok, "not the worse of the 80s", at least
SothoTalker_
yes, the original artists made the songs, but that does not mean your particular mp3 file was made from the original source. it could also come from a compilation.
reosarevok
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ: I still don't understand why it is inaccurate
CatQuest
my god jsut think of "lambada" for m"kaoma" or any one hit wonder. hell, I don't evne know what album that is from, and it's one of my favourite sons :O
reosarevok
It would be inaccurate if that compilation didn't actually contain that track, of course
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
SothoTalker_, im talking about the exact same song
SothoTalker_
me too
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
well if it came from a compilation then fine, set it to the compilation
SothoTalker_
what if an artist has released the song on a few different releases?
CatQuest
do they have the same recording id?
reosarevok
It would also be inaccurate if the compilation claimed the track was by some other random artist, which sometimes happens, although we try to improve that
SothoTalker_
not compilations
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
CatQuest, yes
CatQuest
aahaa now we're geting to it
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
finally
CatQuest
you should have said that right away
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
i thought that was pretty obvious when i said the same recording
CatQuest
no, sorry, I missed that
(and "recording" cna be missunderstood)
also giving a link coudl be usefull to :)
SothoTalker_
it could still be the version from the compilation :D
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
okay, so, to sum up what im saying: with a single song, (same id, same recording same everything) but with different albums, some being compilations, why isnt the offical album the default selection?
reosarevok
In that case, we're giving you all the needed info: this is in both this compilation and this album. If you only listen to albums, take the compilation slider all the way to "ignore compilations", and the album one all the way to "always use albums"
ruaok
iliekcomputers: latest PR deployed
reosarevok
What official album? :) The original vinyl? The original CD re-release? The latest re-release with bonus tracks on sale now?
:p
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
reosarevok, i did
reosarevok
It's never that simple
CatQuest
so then for x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ the albums *will* be default
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
but its not working here
iliekcomputers
ruaok: phew
CatQuest
if it's not working then that is a big in picard
bug*
reosarevok
I don't know exactly how it works to be fair, which is why I mentioned posting in the forum :) But it might be that Picard has a problem, yeah. It's just the problem is certainly not of what it picks by default
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
i think thats exactly what the problem is m8
reosarevok
I've (rarely) had it pick a compilation when I have an album
CallerNo6
tangent: it'd be kinda cool to be able to express in tags "this recording came from this compilation, but also here's the original album info for reference"
reosarevok
In those cases, I check the recording, pick the right album, drag-and-drop, solved
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
:|
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probably should have just switched to itunes
reosarevok
I guess it might be more common if I didn't listen mostly to obscure contemporary classical music and/or hip hop too new to be on rereleases, but
reosarevok sounds like a horrible hipster now, is sorry
CatQuest
:D
CatQuest isn't a hipster but a hippie. all the compilatinos of bollywood music and ragas, world music and metal :D
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
great, now the compilation have album tags
reosarevok
Isn't that what you asked for?
reosarevok is confused
CatQuest
.. yea?
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
reosarevok, i want the official stuff
aka albums
but im getting compilations
CatQuest
then make picard prefer album
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
because they have the album tag
reosarevok
Oh
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
i did
CatQuest
see this is why i never tag comps iwth "album" :D
hah
reosarevok
Sure, they're album + compilation. So that might be an issue with Picard if it can't ignore those
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
*sigh*
CatQuest
indeed
reosarevok
samj1912: do you know if that's the case?
CatQuest
that's soemthing we cna fix
reosarevok
(well they're compilation albums, after all :) )
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
:|
CatQuest
reosarevok: njaaa.. i don't really agree but i'm not winning that battle
SothoTalker_
isn't there a rule to disallow compilations? :D
reosarevok
I'd expect saying "no compilations" to also block anything that has X + compilation though
x3YTjJV6asPhskrZ
dragging the slider to 0? i did that
reosarevok
If it doesn't do that, that probably should be changed :)
CatQuest
yes
SothoTalker_
which version of picard?
CatQuest
reosarevok: it's late for sma and the indians tho, so maybe ask tomorrow morning