#metabrainz

Ruuaaookk :D Good to have you back :)

:D

Got a few updates for you on the mockups too. But it will take longer chatlogs (and patience). Let me know whenever, I will be happy to run you through them!

let me take care of a few things, then we do a little

sure thing!

iliekcomputers: alpha-importer is no more.

in honor of iliekcomputers first commits

!m iliekcomputers

You're doing good work, iliekcomputers!

:)

zas: any reason why I should not relinquish babar (alpha.listenbrainz.org) now?

Because the name is cool?

I mean, poor elephant

!m iliekcomputers, indeed

You're doing good work, iliekcomputers, indeed!

Freso: you got my email about the JIRA design tickets thing? I hope it makes sense.

bitmap: I wonder whether bootsy crash is related to the stuck edit reported in MBS-9512. I did not find a way to reproduce this issue for now. The easiest way to unblock it seems to close it with failure directly in the DB, otherwise we might consider hotfixing with https://github.com/yvanzo/musicbrainz-server/co... although I’m unhappy with adding a special

MBS-9512: Changing recording name to empty string should not be allowed https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/MBS-9512

case here.

chhavi_: what'cha got?

zas: when you have a minute, I'd like some help please.

okay, just give me a sec.

ruaok: i'm trying to fix nagios atm, encountering a chef issue i need to solve, i'll ping you when ready

no rush, zas.

ruaok: so I made like a *all smoke, no fire* prototype of the artist page

^ you can access it here

not sure I've heard this expression before.

It only has a few pages linked. To give you an idea of the flow

When you have it up your screen, let me know. I will lead you through the smoke :p

up

So I changed a few things after coming back from summit

I compared discogs and last.fm and other sites, and the thing that we were most lacking in, was engaging people

I see subscribe, add and edit are much more prominent

Like it's very unclear to new users that there are so many things that they can do with this data and on MusicBrainz

Yes, so just to give them options, and let them know, "hey, you might want to stick around", I think doing this will help

The "about the band" card is there, a little plus minus of fields

Next down in there is the "explore card"

I think you can click on the drop down there, it should work :p

the dropdown works, but doesn't go anywhere. I guess that is as intended.

Yeah, smoke. Just to give you an idea :)

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Next thing you might want to do is try the clicking the "edit page" icon

It should show you a pop up asking to sign in

The idea behind being, "you can do all this, just need to quickly sign in"

And now, there is a more editor-ish interface. The same interface, yet with all the details we neeed to add

Like all the cards have an edit icon, and option to select

Tags are votable

the rock (9^) notation is not entirely intuitive to me

Yes, not to me either. I am still thinking on ways to improve that

but, I like the Add a Tag button.

ok, great.

Still needs work on what we are putting on "sort by" as well

But this was almost all about the "artist page" flow

what do you think?

I like it -- it also looks a bit more like what we have now, so that should ease the transition for some users.

Yes, I am intentionally not going all *fancy* with the interface.

I guess our main aim is to fix the user flows first

another thing I would like to see in this mock-up is the "upload this cover-art" link. for items displayed that do not have cover art.

yes, our users *hate* fancy UIs.

Noted about the cover art part

ideally we should add a UI element for every piece of data which invites the user to participate.

Now this is what you would see if you do "see more" on events card

Yes, on the same page as you with adding pieces of data that invite engagement :) That should be easy once we have a template.

"Write a review" for cross brain pollination? What do you think?

yes, please!!

this is looking quite good!

Other things that I am *really* excited for is our "user dashboard". I see so much potential in it. We can have so many things that a user could possibly do. I want it to be to that nice, that people will never want to log out of it :D

:D

ruaok: i update nagios configs, but both instances are showing false alerts ... not sure what is going on, but please ignore alerts for now. US instance & Frankfurt instance have troubles to connect to Hetzner it seems

odd, ok.

I think you are okay with the structure. There are details to these mockups that need to be worked out. I will take help from reosarevok and Freso and others in our community to do that.

yes, I'm ok with it. But also consider that I am not the best judge of this. I am far from a power user on the site.

I'm quite encouraged by what you're doing. :)

Yes, Freso is on our JIRA design tickets thing. Once it's done, I plan on slicing it a bit and asking for feedback on tickets.

We did discuss a design ticket workflow with our in-house JIRA experts too :)

Next thing that I would want in your notice is some of the discussions we had regarding the "add an event" page

it's our first *edit* page, so I want to be careful with it

ruaok: If you could open this link and scroll down to *placement of relationships* section, I will give you a bit of context

So basically there are two ways we can place "relationships" in our redesign

One is contextually. Like venue makes sense with date and time

But this way we will be scattering our relationships, unlike what we have now

I think that could be a good thing, no?

And the other way, is to do it, how we do it now. A relationship editor box with a few default relationships

because lumping them into "relationships" in one spot is confusing.

Both has it's pro and cons. Freso and reosarevok played the two sides of my debate very well :p

As you can read in the doc.

Sorry for not typing both sides of the debate again, but it's there in the doc :)

ruaok let me know if you want to do the search schema discussion as a meeting agenda or as a discussion between you me and bitmap. I'll remove it from the agenda otherwise.

better smaller to start with, samj1912.

bbiab, sorry

Done

bitmap: ping

zas: https://forum.flossinfra.net/ might maybe be of interest to you?

chhavi_: Yep, you mail arrived safe and sound. :)

Heads up (for people who might have forgotten already): meeting is in just over an hour from now.

^

zas: pong

hey bitmap

yvanzo: I don't think it's related to the crash personally (never seen ModBot cause something like that)

zas: hey

can we make meb website redundant ?

yvanzo: I wonder if we even validate that the name in the 'new' field is non-empty, I guess that comes from /ws/js/edit. if we don't it might be better to fix there then when the edit is being accepted

*than when

zas: I guess one issue is that it needs to serve replication packets, so it has to be on the same machine as the musicbrainz-production-cron container currently (it shares a volume)

so, can we make musicbrainz-production-cron somehow redundant ?

Freso: yup, might be interesting, creating an account

not really, since the dumps/packets can only be generated once, by one machine

but we can perhaps rsync them to another volume afterward

ok, i just want to start something about this issue, the current situation isn't great at all

I think we can put an nginx container in front of the packets and still use X-Accel-Redirect to server them from any machine

though this would have to be moved somewhere https://github.com/metabrainz/metabrainz.org/bl...

since it looks at the filesystem directly

Hi all. Any idea how to fix this error? "Can't locate package Catalyst for @MusicBrainz::Server::ISA" when I run plackup -Ilib -r

did you follow INSTALL.md to set up the server?

Yeah, with no errors.

Everything up to this point seemed perfect

if you run 'env', you should see some environment variables like this: https://gist.github.com/mwiencek/23d10861ca1077...

Actually, is running that necessary to be a slave DB? All I really need is for the DB to auto update from the master MB DB.

and the catalyst package should live somewhere at ~/perl5/lib/perl5/Catalyst*

ah, well in that case no, you don't need the website running to pull in replication packets. but it should have installed it regardless, so might hint at other issues

I have the right env vars. Searching them for Catalyst. Thanks!

Hey people.

iliekcomputers: Around?

Hi!

iliekcomputers: Go. :)