for example, an artist releases one album, in 3 different vinyl colors, but sharing everything else
2018-03-05 06416, 2018
zas
or a digital release offered in 3 different formats
2018-03-05 06419, 2018
CatQuest
Freso: that is a mess and should be merged ¬¬
2018-03-05 06450, 2018
Freso
CatQuest: I disagree. But we can discuss that in #musicbrainz after the meeting.
2018-03-05 06452, 2018
zas
or, another case, a release of 1000 CDs having each one a different cover art, because hand-made by the artist (i saw this case)
2018-03-05 06459, 2018
CatQuest
zas: or.. a classical release with its tracklist in german, french and english?
2018-03-05 06408, 2018
zas
CatQuest: yes
2018-03-05 06414, 2018
CatQuest
:D
2018-03-05 06423, 2018
Freso
Would that just be one Release and one Variant with 3 alt. tracklists?
2018-03-05 06427, 2018
Freso
*Wouldn't
2018-03-05 06429, 2018
CatQuest
Freso: I don't want to . I'll be busy
2018-03-05 06431, 2018
CatQuest
sorry
2018-03-05 06434, 2018
Leo_Verto
hmm, how would you determine the "baseline" release? especially in the case of something like different colours
2018-03-05 06445, 2018
zas
Leo_Verto: one color
2018-03-05 06410, 2018
CatQuest
baseline release doesn't have "colour" attribute
2018-03-05 06410, 2018
zas
and variants will override this info, it could be a disambiguation, annotation, or any field "allowed"
2018-03-05 06418, 2018
CatQuest
cover art cn be uploaded probably.
2018-03-05 06427, 2018
zas
CatQuest: we use disambiguation&annotation atm
2018-03-05 06435, 2018
CatQuest
yea i know
2018-03-05 06445, 2018
zas
so, atm, we create one release for each vinyl color
2018-03-05 06453, 2018
zas
duplicating all the data
2018-03-05 06456, 2018
zas
but recordings
2018-03-05 06409, 2018
Freso
zas: You think this can be wrapped up somehow in the next 2-5 minutes?
2018-03-05 06414, 2018
CatQuest
we do? I thought this was dissuaded
2018-03-05 06417, 2018
zas
i finish
2018-03-05 06423, 2018
Freso
CatQuest: We do, yes.
2018-03-05 06434, 2018
zas
my idea is to be able a release a variant of another if they share enough data
2018-03-05 06437, 2018
Freso
Since the medium colours makes the cover art different.
2018-03-05 06444, 2018
CatQuest
last i heard sep coloured vinyl was not extra release. oh ok
2018-03-05 06455, 2018
zas
and to be able to make a "full" release any variant at anytime
2018-03-05 06409, 2018
zas
each "variant" has a release mbid
2018-03-05 06417, 2018
CatQuest
zas: it's also true atl east for modern cd+digital releases that they literlaly share anything
2018-03-05 06430, 2018
zas
but it gets part of its data from another release
2018-03-05 06441, 2018
CatQuest
i cna see it work, if combined with alt tracklists also
2018-03-05 06441, 2018
zas
and we just override data that differs
2018-03-05 06459, 2018
zas
CatQuest: yes, about cd vs digital
2018-03-05 06404, 2018
zas
in most cases
2018-03-05 06404, 2018
Freso
The whole concept makes my head hurt right now. :)
2018-03-05 06406, 2018
CatQuest
same concept. of "base date and thne whatever's diff jut gets overwritten
2018-03-05 06429, 2018
zas
that's all, we can let people think about it, and discuss this on next meeting ;)
2018-03-05 06457, 2018
CatQuest
i kidna like it. it seems a diferent way of thinknig aobut releases at lal ,but i think (esp ) with the future of digital and altering things it might be a very important thing aobut howt ogo forward aobut restructuring data
2018-03-05 06416, 2018
Freso
zas: Maybe you can try and make a more "formal"/in-depth specification of it or something and post on the forums in its own topic maybe?
2018-03-05 06441, 2018
zas
Freso: yes, i'll try to find time for it
2018-03-05 06447, 2018
yvanzo
zas: What happens when you edit details of a full release with variants. Are new values propagated to variants or old values saved into variants?
2018-03-05 06449, 2018
Freso
Alright, great. Thanks zas! :)
2018-03-05 06455, 2018
Freso
Leo_Verto: Summit date!
2018-03-05 06456, 2018
CatQuest
i visualise it like a release is a paper and a variant is a transaprent sheet with soem alterations on it wich is laid ontop
2018-03-05 06407, 2018
Leo_Verto
I think we started planning the '17 summit around this time last year (at least according to the wiki history) so I'd like to get started talking about this year's summit.
2018-03-05 06408, 2018
Leo_Verto
Is there even going to be a summit this year? Is it going to be in Barcelona again? Do we have any date in mind? (Maybe there is a convenient referendum again :P)
2018-03-05 06421, 2018
zas
the "master" release changes are propagated to variants
2018-03-05 06428, 2018
zas
in fact, they arent
2018-03-05 06442, 2018
zas
the "master" release data is shared with variants ;)
2018-03-05 06445, 2018
yvanzo
Leo_Verto: Thank you for inviting us to your home city. :)
2018-03-05 06448, 2018
Freso
Leo_Verto: It will probably be in BCN again, but we might not be able to determine too much without ruaok.
2018-03-05 06423, 2018
Freso
The summit has been late summer/early autumn for the last several years, so it should likely be in that period this time again.
2018-03-05 06444, 2018
reosarevok
Or we could just decide on a date and tell ruaok "sorry, missed it so we decided it for you" :p
2018-03-05 06450, 2018
reosarevok
(but yeah, ok, waiting for him might make sense)
2018-03-05 06456, 2018
zas
i like to have the summit after the GSoC end
2018-03-05 06404, 2018
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2018-03-05 06405, 2018
Leo_Verto
Okay, I can't remember how we came up with the date last year but I'd love to have something concrete for my autumn planning
2018-03-05 06409, 2018
Freso
Depending on where we end up, we may prefer it to be a bit earlier or a bit later. (E.g., for Barcelona, we'd prefer it a bit earlier, for Germany/Scandinavia, we'd prefer it a bit earlier.)
2018-03-05 06417, 2018
Leo_Verto
That's pretty much it for this topic, I just wanted to get this rolling
2018-03-05 06436, 2018
zas
I vote for a summit in India ;)
2018-03-05 06444, 2018
yvanzo
+1 after the GSoC
2018-03-05 06446, 2018
Freso
Leo_Verto: Yeah. Let's keep it in the topic and poke Rob next week whether he has any travel plans for that time that needs to be considered.
2018-03-05 06450, 2018
reosarevok
+1 India :p
2018-03-05 06453, 2018
Freso
Indian summit would be amazing.
2018-03-05 06411, 2018
Freso
Anyway. I think that's it for tonight then.
2018-03-05 06415, 2018
Freso
Thanks for your time everyone! :)
2018-03-05 06420, 2018
Freso
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2018-03-05 06422, 2018
zas
Thanks !
2018-03-05 06427, 2018
iliekcomputers
-1 to india
2018-03-05 06432, 2018
reosarevok wants to try all their weird Lays
2018-03-05 06439, 2018
iliekcomputers
I'd like to come to Europe again😂
2018-03-05 06455, 2018
samj1912
^ ditto :P
2018-03-05 06458, 2018
chhavi_
Reo we will get you lays.
2018-03-05 06458, 2018
zas
iliekcomputers: you can still come to EU, when you want ;)
2018-03-05 06413, 2018
Freso
iliekcomputers: I'm sure you'll come back soon enough. Don't cheat us Europeans from coming out of Fort EU a bit. :p
2018-03-05 06430, 2018
chhavi_
Indian lays in Europe sound better. :p
2018-03-05 06439, 2018
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2018-03-05 06444, 2018
reosarevok
Freso: luckily for us, the UK will help with it soon
2018-03-05 06445, 2018
iliekcomputers
Let's go to Thailand or Vietnam or Malaysia then :)
2018-03-05 06457, 2018
reosarevok sighs
2018-03-05 06406, 2018
reosarevok
Oh well, enough for now
2018-03-05 06410, 2018
Freso
reosarevok: I don't think the UK is very high up on the list for summit locations though.
2018-03-05 06415, 2018
reosarevok goes watch some series
2018-03-05 06417, 2018
Leo_Verto
bukwurm_: recently there has been some discussion on #irc:matrix.org about bridge latencies going haywire recently, especially joins seem to be a problem
2018-03-05 06443, 2018
Leo_Verto
my personal theory is that the join is lost for whatever reason and the bridge then drops all messages from that user because it doesn't think they joined yet
2018-03-05 06453, 2018
zas
Don't EU guys need a visa for UK now ? ;))
2018-03-05 06409, 2018
Freso
zas: Not yet. UK is still in the EU.
2018-03-05 06411, 2018
Leo_Verto
that might explain why it's always different users whose messages are dropped
2018-03-05 06414, 2018
samj1912 wouldn't mind (getting shot/a summit) in Chicago either :P
2018-03-05 06422, 2018
Leo_Verto
the matrix > IRC direction isn't affected at all afaik
2018-03-05 06423, 2018
Freso
samj1912: ...
2018-03-05 06428, 2018
Leo_Verto
except for the lag
2018-03-05 06431, 2018
Freso
Don't get shot - anywhere - please.
2018-03-05 06434, 2018
zas
UK was in EU ... damn ;)
2018-03-05 06444, 2018
chhavi_
Freso: 😂❤️
2018-03-05 06408, 2018
Leo_Verto
the US is pretty much a VISA hell for everyone other than bitmap though, isn't it?
2018-03-05 06415, 2018
Freso
Leo_Verto: Not really.
2018-03-05 06430, 2018
iliekcomputers
samj1912: +1
2018-03-05 06431, 2018
Freso
It's really easy as an EU citizen to get a tourist "visa".
2018-03-05 06454, 2018
samj1912
Leo_Verto: its easier to get an US visa than an european one from my experiences :P
2018-03-05 06455, 2018
Freso
I spent all of about 5 minutes on it when I went to CA for the GCI thing two years ago.
ugh my conenctino went silently off before leo wrote his pice
2018-03-05 06437, 2018
CatQuest
:// i was liek "who noone talking?"
2018-03-05 06428, 2018
bukwurm_
Leo_Verto: I think there it is something else.
2018-03-05 06457, 2018
bitmap
we had a chicago mini-summit at the beginning of 2014 when the entire city was snow/slush, was pretty fun
2018-03-05 06416, 2018
bukwurm_
Because I am able to reference the users in the matrix.
2018-03-05 06439, 2018
bukwurm_
Had they not joined, I don't think it would have been possible.
2018-03-05 06416, 2018
CatQuest
maybe we can say "for meetings, please try to use a differnt client thna matrix" or something
2018-03-05 06420, 2018
bukwurm_
Ok, but today I am still unable to reference kartikey.
2018-03-05 06421, 2018
CatQuest
idk
2018-03-05 06430, 2018
Freso
CatQuest: Maybe, yeah.
2018-03-05 06420, 2018
bukwurm_
Last time it was akhilesh , but I was able to reference him using @... completion.
2018-03-05 06445, 2018
Freso
bukwurm_: Yeah, Matrix is really its own thing, which just happens to be able to interface with IRC, but IRC will always be a "secondary" "citizen" to Matrix itself.
2018-03-05 06405, 2018
bukwurm_
I hope it gets fixed, because it's such a great way to stay online irc constantly. :(
