ruaok: maybe next year? We could have a MeB assembly!
Leipzig is pretty cool but the walking distances can get pretty high and there are fewer wall plugs and ethernet jacks around
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ZaphodBeeblebrox
congrats george, c1e0, thefar8[m], antara
VxJasonxV^
are there plans for allowing genres to be free-form later? Music that I curate (Konami's Bemani music game soundtrack releases) have… … "creative" genre names.
ZaphodBeeblebrox
afaik, genres will eventually be own entities, not unlike areas or instruments
VxJasonxV^
those both being source code level curated items, yes?
e.g. "whitelisted", essentially?
ZaphodBeeblebrox
ehh i don't know. you ask reosarevok about that :D
oh
right
uhm well yes
but not jsut tat
i mena for instruments i do research to find out if it really counts
VxJasonxV^
some example genres: HAPPY HANDBAG, A.I.TECHNO, WINTER DANCE, and ANUBIS
ZaphodBeeblebrox
sometimes research shows me that my prefrence is wrong and i have ot add it anyway :D
VxJasonxV^
there are many one-offs, the vast majority of them are. just a handful of genres with reused genre names.
ZaphodBeeblebrox
right, so are those separate genres or are they fun names for other genres?
ie aliases
so basically genre-credits
(I think genre credits wil solve a pretty big problem, maybe)
VxJasonxV^
I have no idea. I guess technically the latter? But hell if I'm going to debate which genre should be the underlying canonical one.
ZaphodBeeblebrox
i menain peopel thinking that a genre is so and such
perhaps have jsut a spesific list then
VxJasonxV^
Personally I would like two genres per track in these cases. One for a common name, one for a given name.
the common name can be contested, the given name shouldn't be.
I grant you that this is an edge case, we're talking maybe 40-50 releases with this information, officially, tops
ZaphodBeeblebrox
sounds like "some genre as (other funny name) type credits ot me? :D)
VxJasonxV^
sort of, but not explicitly for that reason
ZaphodBeeblebrox
true
but it coudl be used like that
VxJasonxV^
Konami has created genre names for all of nearly all of their songs in the beatmania IIDX and pop'n music series
there's also the "djuk" drama of whatever metal band that was.
ZaphodBeeblebrox
thing is: "funnyname" cna eventually actually become a thing
something like generalised bradname contra brandnames on isntruments
i won't add separate brandname gibson guitar
VxJasonxV^
yeah
ZaphodBeeblebrox
but for electronic synths the type might actually be expereinced as a separate instrument
like we have "moog"
becasue moog is a separate thing
this is a definition thing. not unliek genre
so you'l lhave to make some styleguide aobut "hen is is considered a spearate genre"
VxJasonxV^
oh, here's a good way to express it
ZaphodBeeblebrox
and yea, thats the issue with genre, becasue it's all "peopel decide"
but honestly, it's not much different with instruments. a lot of it is touch and go not hard evidence
VxJasonxV^
In the pop'n music world, every single song has a unique genre name, hence Classic 6, Classic 7, etc. Each classic minimix track has gotten an incremented "Classic #" genre name.
if you click one of the song names, you will see the song track art, which lists genre/artist, not title/artist
ZaphodBeeblebrox
thne the task becomes rather to figure out the semantical *actual* genre
if every single trakc has a separate "genre" thne is that really *genre* and not just.. idk, alternate trackname
like, are every single one of these songs markedly differnt is genre?
like this one "1 ANGEL / V.C.O. featuring Alt"
what is it to soudn like? guitars, music
not what they say it is, what does it *sound* like
(differnt people wil lsay differnt things ofcourse)
IMO it's general genre is techno pop, but no, "purists would say" its genre is A.I. Techno
ZaphodBeeblebrox
it's jsut a funny name for "techno pop"
well it can have any tag it wants
and eventually perhaps the AI techno becomes an alias of techno pop
but if it's used only for one song ever...
VxJasonxV^
that's my conundrum in a nutshell :P
ZaphodBeeblebrox
well it's like.. if I was going to do it as an instrument. if it was an instrument. I'd just add the name as an alias on "synth pop" and leave it as that and people could use whatever as an genre "credit" but the genre is "synth pop"
VxJasonxV^
synth pop is probably an even better genre than techno pop
maybe. but again, that's the conundrum
ZaphodBeeblebrox
fortiunatly it cna have the genre techon pop AND synth pop
VxJasonxV^
the base genre is so highly variable, but the give genre is very settled and able to be exactingly referenced
ZaphodBeeblebrox
techno*
well you have folksonomy tags :)
this thing does soudn liek a thing, but it honestly doesnt soudn like a "what we mena when we say genre" thing
it's a differnt thing
it's alabel on what the makes of the song call it
a comment
(perosnally don't see the point if literally every singel one has a difernt "genre", but)
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like, are there other songs in that list you'd call 2synth opo" that osudns like ANGEL?
like if i liek that song, i'll liek this other song too probably?
it has the same bps and the same groove and stuff
same.. actual genre
the purpose of genre is that some stuff is the smae as other stuff.. enough ot be similar in the same way. liek i'm listening to a DOMM albumversion of "dark side of the moon"
so it's "doom side of the moon" :D
idk if it really soudns lie kdoom doom, but it's that album and it's heavy
it's doom-y
to positive for doom doom
but they clal it doom so it's doom
so you have a sort of label that may or may not actulaly semantically literally fit the gnere depending on what peopel athe selves actually think and feel