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      • BrainzGit
        [musicbrainz-server] mwiencek opened pull request #1082 (master…mbs-6033-mbs-6072): Answer OPTIONS / CORS preflights in the WS https://github.com/metabrainz/musicbrainz-serve...
      • spellew
        ferbncode: I've opened a pull request to fix the orm query bug
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      • CatQuest
        morn
      • reosarevok
        zas: I'm getting 502 consistently in the beta WS, yet running the beta branch locally the ws works fine
      • Is something on the server side of things borked?
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      • CatQuest
        morn reosarevok!
      • reosarevok
        Hi CatQuest
      • CatQuest
        :)
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      • zarcade_droid
        My plan is to scrape the Big Finish homepage and upload all the releases to Musicbrainz, but the API docs seem a tad lacking about creating new releases and all that, is that intentional?
      • Doing it all manually would be just too much work.
      • Another question I have is about an edit staging area, is there a way to create some kind of megaedit instead of creating thousands of edits into the queue?
      • reosarevok
        zarcade_droid: they're not lacking, it's just not a thing
      • zarcade_droid
        So it's intentional, okay.
      • reosarevok
        But we expect *some* human checking
      • zarcade_droid
        Yeah, that's why I thought about the megaedit and asking here instead of spamming the review queue
      • akhilesh
        Moin!
      • zarcade_droid
        So that given there's no official API is my only hope to basically emulate a browser doing the edits?
      • Big Finish has 1805 releases, many having at least five artists, most of them also have an ISBN and everything related. Taking about five minutes per release, it'd take a full week 24/7 to manually correct it all.
      • CatQuest
        that's a lot of work yes.
      • but. like manual correcting and adding is kinda mb's forte. that's why our data is the quality it is rather than the kind of crap you see on most other "release agregade" sites. other exceptinos are rateyourmusic and discogs
      • anyway. it would be easier if we got maybe a couple (meaning a few) of people doing this
      • like a mini-collaboration of them onth things
      • reosarevok
        zarcade_droid: you can absolutely do it so that you have code that seeds the editor and you only check whether it's correct and select the specific artists if needed - that should take around a minute or so
      • zarcade_droid
        reosarevok: how would that look like?
      • reosarevok
        See my link above :)
      • But unless you have a good way of programmatically selecting the right artist, you'll need to at least do that by hand
      • zarcade_droid: https://github.com/murdos/musicbrainz-userscrip... is an example of an importer tool that seeds the release editor
      • zarcade_droid
        how would I seed physical retail ISBN and digital retail ISBNs?
      • If a release is both a physical one and a digital one then what's the "packaging" and medium format?
      • CatQuest
        those are two different releases in the smae release group
      • and, sadly we can' store ISBN in mb. but we can in BookBrainz.org
      • bb is still in beta though
      • zarcade_droid
        Oof, so I have to seed a release group first and then two releases?
      • CatQuest
        when creating the first release the release group can be automatically created, then picked for the second one. for your needs it maybe easier to create the RG first and thne put it inot the release seeding? i don't know how you plan on it
      • zarcade_droid
        I'd avoid any "picking" to be honest.
      • CatQuest
        ..
      • zarcade_droid
        And programmatically make sure it's always correct
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      • CatQuest
        that's... not
      • I mean you can "pick" by inserting the uuid(mbid) of the entity to be "picked"
      • zarcade_droid
        Mhm
      • CatQuest
        that removes errors with searching and picking wrongly
      • but you need to "pick" i mena if the entity. say artist of one thing is not in the db already
      • also oyu have to do a search to make sure the release you're adding isn't already in the db
      • zarcade_droid
        It's easier to merge the few duplicates than it is to make 1805 checks :/
      • CatQuest
        ...
      • this is why we manually add tbh
      • zarcade_droid
        well, noone has for Big Finish properly
      • CatQuest
        our comunity will probably not really like an influx of almost 2000 releases that was "automatically" added
      • zarcade_droid
        and to be fair, you manually add because it's not friendly to mass-addition :P
      • CatQuest
        no, we amunally add because to make sure it's done right and wel land to tryto avoid duplication as is done with mass-addition
      • zarcade_droid
        Big Finish releases haven't been done right...
      • CatQuest
        anyway yo usohuld definitely try to add a couple manually *first* to get accustomed with how forms and stuff look and work
      • oh?
      • zarcade_droid
        The label name is used as the artist name for quite a few releases even now
      • and many releases only have one artist even though ~5 is average
      • and the production code is missing on many
      • CatQuest
        yes, that's definitely wrong. I remember i thikng i moved some DR Who ones anway for mthat and used the authors/narrators as the artist
      • zarcade_droid
        Oh there's those as well
      • CatQuest
        (got bitched at by some editor who works with BigFinish releases wh probably didn't liek me doing it that way)
      • zarcade_droid
        But like, narrators are the artists in audiobooks?
      • CatQuest
        author (writer and narrator yes)
      • erh
      • reosarevok
        Writers and narrators, according to our guideline: https://beta.musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Specific...
      • CatQuest
        author (writer) and narrator
      • reosarevok
        Eh, without beta works too
      • But not sure how well that applies to audio plays? :) I haven't listened to any, so
      • CatQuest
        idk why people are so scard of the beta links
      • zarcade_droid
        So the cast are fine as artists?
      • CatQuest
        probably relationships are good for those
      • zarcade_droid
        But what about people like directors, music composers?
      • CatQuest
        Advanced Relationships
      • zarcade_droid
        D:
      • CatQuest
        you. really should do some manual editing to understand how datamodel works before you do a lot of mass adding :D
      • ok maybe i'm biased. been her efor what is it now 15-16 years?
      • reo nearly as long
      • reosarevok
      • That is an audiobook, no clue about audioplays
      • CatQuest
        audioplay is like audiobook only you have the people (cast) doing the voices and there may be some sound effects right?
      • zarcade_droid
        Yes
      • CatQuest
        hmm.. try some Douglas adams hhgttg things. i belive that was lie kthat
      • zarcade_droid
        Though Big Finish's are mostly audioplays
      • but they call them audiobooks
      • CatQuest
        eh one narrator vrs a handfull, same deal in my head
      • well as far as relations go imho
      • zarcade_droid
        Is there a way to set which character the artist plays in the audiobook?
      • CatQuest
        yea. relationship
      • reo explain it better thna me
      • reosarevok the thing about voice as
      • reosarevok
        In the relationship, when selecting spoken vocals, you can also specify a "credit" for the spoken vocals
      • So "spoken vocals [Character Name]"
      • zarcade_droid
        That's not settable in the release editor?
      • CatQuest
        no
      • I mean some time in the future the relationship editor will probably be included in the release editor
      • but like. initiall y we didn't have this ability at all. it's
      • zarcade_droid
        Is it fine if I currently add all the narrators under Artists?
      • CatQuest
        datamodel was like basically freedb. and then evolved over the years beyond that
      • narrators or cast?
      • zarcade_droid
        Same thing?
      • At least Big Finish doens't differentiate
      • doesn't*
      • CatQuest
        if there is *a* narrator then it should be an artist-credit liek reo linked
      • idk, if there is like 50 people thne probably not :D
      • but 4-5 and they all get "top" billing, yea sure why not
      • zarcade_droid
        There's the series feature, I have to first create the series then I can add release groups to the series to tie together episodes of the same miniseries for example?
      • CatQuest
        yea. things like that
      • zarcade_droid
        Should I make my edits in the beta environment first and you can say if they're fine to make in the main?
      • reosarevok
        zarcade_droid: beta is the same database. You can use test.
      • zarcade_droid
        I need a new account there :P?
      • reosarevok
        Yes
      • OR use whatever account really
      • Password is mb for all
      • You can use mine if you want, doesn't matter
      • pristine__
        ruaok: moin
      • Did ruaok said that he will be afk today?
      • anyone? :)
      • CatQuest
        prrell
      • amCap1712
        yvanzo, reosarevok, bitmap : what is the use of a track mbid
      • i mean every track is associated with a recording and if any query supporting tracks are mapped to recordings
      • gr0uch0mars: hi
      • gr0uch0mars
        hi amCap1712 You have not updated the PR yet, right?
      • amCap1712
        gr0uch0mars: i think the error is now fixed. i was using the track mbid instead of recording mbid