#musicbrainz-devel

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      • warp
        ruaok: any idea who wrote _output_xml in XMLSerializer?
      • ruaok runs and hides
      • haha
      • ruaok
        that was me. but aCiD2 swears he's going to replace with with another perl module.
      • warp nods.
      • warp
        I couldn't figure out how to get it to use both attributes and a value on a tag.
      • ruaok
        but I hated all of the XML serilializers out there. all too heavy.
      • did you figure it out now?
      • warp
        no, I'm looking at proper serializers.
      • :P
      • ruaok knew that was coming
      • ruaok
        well, I hope you find something suitable
      • warp
        XML::Generator was mentioned in the comment, and it's fairly straightforward to port the code to it.
      • ruaok
        nother question for you...
      • aCiD2
        phew, all that conversation I thought the meeting hard started early!
      • ruaok
        what is the singular term of a bike?
      • aCiD2 quickly reads backscroll
      • warp
        haha
      • ruaok: fiets?
      • ruaok
        ah.
      • and plural is fietsen?
      • warp
        yes.
      • ruaok
        ok.
      • aCiD2: you'll be glad to know that warp is planning on using a real XML serializer. :)
      • aCiD2
        i saw :)
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      • however... are you planning on doing that now warp?
      • I really need help with the edit migration still
      • warp
        aCiD2: yes, there are a bunch of webservice tickets.
      • aCiD2
        i see
      • warp
        aCiD2: I understood what needed to be done for the readonly edit migration tickets
      • aCiD2: but those seem to have been taken care of now.
      • aCiD2
        not all
      • all the relationship ones need readonly edit too
      • warp
        well, the ones where I understood how to go about things :)
      • aCiD2
        ok
      • ruaok
        warp does have an insane amount of web service stuff to do, sadly. :-(
      • aCiD2
        understood!
      • i just have a lack of time for a few weeks :(
      • warp
        and I haven't touched the web service stuff at all since halfway febd.
      • ruaok nods
      • and I haven't touched the web service stuff at all since halfway feb.
      • ruaok
        we'll get this done, fret not.
      • aCiD2 nods
      • jensl
        i could take care of some web service tickets but not before 22.apr
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      • ruaok
        ruaok has changed the topic to: agenda: review, gsoc, ux design, tips for not falling asleep due to jet lag, [more?]
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      • MBChatLogger
        MBChatLogger has changed the topic to: http://musicbrainz.org/#devel
      • ruaok
        ruaok has changed the topic to: agenda: review, gsoc, ux design, tips for not falling asleep due to jet lag, [more?]
      • djce offers: rewriterules
      • in case I get disonnected due to my shoddy net connection, warp will take over
      • warp
        linkphrases
      • ruaok
        ruaok has changed the topic to: agenda: review, gsoc, ux design, rewrite rules, linkphrases, [more?]
      • warp: start us off on review, please
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      • warp
        the biggest things I've worked on the past week was the taglookup page
      • and getting credits on the release page
      • both of those are in code review.
      • ruaok
        nice.
      • warp
        other than that small stuff, ux discussions and gsoc stuff.
      • ruaok
        we need to remember to add a redirect for the tagger lookup page.
      • yeah, UX nearly killed me last week.
      • and you're doing WS stuff in the next week?
      • aCiD2
        all of us :)
      • ruaok
        aCiD2: yes. :)
      • warp
        ruaok: well, most of my remaining tickets either depend on UX stuff, or random other stuff which is waiting for a ship it! in code review.
      • ruaok
        I'll see if I can get some code reviewed on the train tomorrow.
      • aCiD2
        if CR is blocking you, please pester me more
      • i might be able to fit some cr in when I take a break from revision
      • warp
        ruaok: so I moved onto webservice stuff because that's not touching anything which is waiting for something else :)
      • ruaok can see warp reach for his tran-channel prod
      • ruaok
        warp: ok, makes sense. and there is a lot of it too. ;)
      • right-o. aCiD2 how was your week?
      • aCiD2
        my week was a bit crappy i'm afraid. I've had to let revision and uni take priority again now, and on top of that I went through some rocky personal problems
      • i got a little bit of work done, but I really don't have much to report :(
      • ruaok
        well, I hope the personal issues are not too dire.
      • warp
        aCiD2: nothing was serious enough that it couldn't wait until this meeting, but yes, plz comment on some code review stuff :)
      • aCiD2
        i'm hoping I can get about 2-3 hours a day in from now on but that really is the top end given the amount of revision I have to do
      • ruaok
        but the uni situation is not anything we didn't expect, so don't stress. :)
      • aCiD2
        right, and the personal stuff is subsiding slowly :)
      • warp
        \o/
      • ruaok
        :)
      • my weeks was uhm, a strange one.
      • navap, warp, alisa and I a tremendous amount of work to figure out the user interaction design for the release editor
      • as some of you know, alisa is a student who was considering helping us on UX issues for GSoC.
      • but she doesn't write code, so in the end killed her participation.
      • but, she is agree to help us regardless.
      • in exchange for some food and chocolate. :)
      • aCiD2
        a fair compromise
      • ruaok
        I'm quite happy with what we're accomplishing. we've never looked at UI design with so much ferocity.
      • pronik
        ruaok: any document to critisize? ;)
      • ruaok
        BUT, the UI issues still haven't converged. there are a lot of diverging topics and suggestions of starting with a new approach.
      • pronik: not yet.
      • but from the wave that we stated last week we got a good sense of what is important and what is not acceptable.
      • we're working hard to address those. sadly is two steps forward, one step back.
      • warp nods.
      • but our plan is to come up with a draft of what it *should* look like.
      • a first unified attempt. then we'll get feedback from everyone. based on the feedback from everyone we will:
      • 1. Go back and sequester ourselves some more.
      • 2. or widen the distribution for a greater audience.
      • I suspect that we'll be in the loop of #1 for a few iterations.
      • the biggest problem with the wave were that we lost control and had too many cooks.
      • that said, I need to touch base with navap to continue this drama. He's been a superstar in taking this one and running with it, while enduring alisa and I. :)
      • aCiD2
        and we went in with too many ideas
      • warp
        :)
      • ruaok
        and then starting friday I started my meandering journey that left me here in delft.
      • a 45 minute bike ride from warp's house. ;)
      • warp
        he's been there since sunday and he still hasn't visited, tsk, lazy.
      • ruaok
        each day this week I'm visiting someone who is, was is will be important to MusicBrainz, as well as trying to get some work done.
      • aCiD2
        ha
      • warp
        awesome.
      • ruaok
        I hear you're having circle parties all week, so I am avoiding you.
      • warp
        lol
      • ruaok
        oh and yes, it looks like I will make another trip to the BBC during my 22 hour layover next week.
      • there seems to be... wait for it...
      • another shake-up.
      • ruaok does a face palm and cries a little
      • aCiD2
        bbc are about as regular as a woman, gotta be said
      • ruaok
        just 6 months instead of 28 days.
      • aCiD2
        yep
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      • ruaok
        ok, thats it for me.
      • who else wants to chime in?
      • ruaok looks south, north and east of him.
      • murdos, ijabz?
      • djce?
      • ok, onward. gsoc.
      • the apps are in. we're looking at them. we're trying to achieve fecal cohesion.
      • warp, aCiD2: we should have a meeting sometime this week to discuss. we'll pick a date later.
      • warp nods.
      • any other questions/comments on gsoc?
      • EXBreder
        When will the results be out?
      • jensl
        24.
      • aCiD2
        sounds good
      • ruaok
        ok, onward to ux design.
      • EXBreder resumes lurking
      • I think I covered most of it. there isn't much to discuss until the cabal emits its first ruling.
      • djce: rewrite rules!
      • warp nods.
      • ruaok has changed the topic to: agenda, rewrite rules, linkphrases, ponies!
      • djce
        hey. just in time.
      • djce back.
      • So, the rewriterules we'll require for NGS fall into a few categories,
      • depending on the purpose of the rule,
      • and some of those need to be sorted out by an NGS core dev person I think.
      • ruaok, did that plan I sent you sound reasonable?
      • ruaok
        wrt to apache2?