#musicbrainz-devel

ocharles, warp: I would love to hear from you on wednesday what sort of management you'd like to see from me.

ruaok: right, I'll give it some thought.

will try to have a think then

but even then I'm not sure this is the problem

because if there is a bug report for something that doesn't work, we can't just skip it, can we?

clearly our estimating skills are not working.

because we still cannot even closely predict what issues we have coming towards us.

I think our estimation we need to figure in 40% - 60% extra time for bugs.

well, bugs are new tickets.

and even then, how can we really know we've tackeled everything?

Hrm, most of mine are over, not under estimates

well, I hope that post ngs we can have a clearer idea of what we need to do.

right now there are just all of these unknnowns lurking everywhere.

ijabz: after 2.5 years at my previous job I knew the software well enough that my estimates for clients we're quite accurate, in particular for smaller projects.

s/we're/were/

warp: I'm hoping we can get there post NGS.

when we can clearly state which features we want to tackle. rather than EVERYTHING

Well, lets look back a bit

Yes, we have a big list of issues in jira for this milestone, but how shippable are we right now?

If we had to ship *today* would it work?

ocharles: nope.

ocharles: release editor is still breaking left and right, inconsistent, ugly and unfinished.

no

I'm just wondering if all over issues really are critical to the next release. most of mine could be done in a later release

wouldn't want to, but could do it

ok, then we waste our time doing more releases.

beta 4.

rc1, rc2.

no, I mean a real release

most of what warp needs to do can't be postponed.

the RE is the heart of MB in many senses.

the RE is the critical path. and we still can't see all of the aspects that need to be addressed.

well maybe it's time I moved on to that then?

that is entilrey up to warp.

it may be good to have some help.

it's going to add friction, most certainly while I get up to scratch - but I'm sure I could be useful aftr

well, for right now, please consider some options.

would require a bunch more coordinating compared to what we usually do around here though.

indeed

Any chance of a F2F drive?

but we're in similar timezones, it could be done

ocharles: certainly :)

Get in a room for a week, locked-in, with ruaok sliding cheese slices under the door for food?

only if ollie makes the trek this time.

lol.

soon I'll be on the wrong continent for that.

too bad my ticket home isn't changeable.

feh.

have a think.

lets discuss on wed.

I'll be up reasonably early dealing with jetlag.

ruaok: anyway, when exactly do you want to meet on wed. regular meeting time?

much sooner than that.

be specific :)

but I can't really foresee when I'll be sentient or if United Airlines will deem to deliver me home at an appropriate time.

lets just say usual time.

if we're all online earlier than that, then lets do it earlier.

ok, sounds good

ok, anyone else for review? nikki? ijabz?

I could talk about Works ACs if you'd like.

has navap reappeared?

no, nothing of interest

pbryan: I can't say I'd like to right now. next week ok?

warp has changed the topic to: more review? | artist credits on works | RE UX

NP.

ruaok: nope, no word of him yet

bummer. I hope he is ok.

onward to RE UX?

yes, just a quick note / warning.

do we need alisa again?

not right now.

Alisa == UX designer?

but I've been bolting on new bits and pieces in the release editor, and this will continue for a bit longer

so the thingy is starting to look a bit frankensteinish now, a bit too boxy too.

I may run into her this weekend.

but I'll continue adding in all the features we need

let me set aside some chocolate for her and we should be on.

I just think when everything is in there we need to have a good UX look at things again, and move stuff around and give it some new visual polish.

so keep that in mind.

ok, sounds good.

another thing on my list is the release level AR discussion.

also, next week I am in SF for the Music Tech summit.

nothing right now, but let's say around an actual rc1 release, we need UX / graphic design people help.

warp: ok

so, monday I am busy.

tuesday, I will be busy or driving or or or.

I should have a clear picture on sunday. I'll post a note when we'll have the next meeting then,

heh. I'll be home for 2 days before, I leave town. :)

ok, what else should we discuss today?

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ok, then lets wrap up.

donuts. are they in your culture, warp?

if not, are stroopwafels?

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thanks for your time everyone!

donuts, not so much.

:-)

thanks ruaok :)

ok, I'll chat from you in California!

warp: :-)

safe travels!