cool, google actually sent me my tax form this year!
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ruaok
yep.
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ruaok
yeah, quite a few less.
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ruaok
a
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ruaok
n
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ruaok
d co
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ruaok
u
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ruaok
ple
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ruaok sighs
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ianmcorvidae
heh
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ruaok
speaking of dumb questions.
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ruaok
h
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ruaok
at
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ruaok
re
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ruaok
s
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reosarevok
:D
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ruaok
me of a time in the programming contenst
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reosarevok
Someone gift ruaok new IRC software please
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ruaok
we were in San diego, working on unix machines. each team of 3 had one terminal.
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ruaok
some universities had switched to M$ and thus some students has never seen a unix box.
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ruaok
tough for them.
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reosarevok
hahaha
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ianmcorvidae ponders installing irssi on lenny or something :P
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ruaok
we all had a test run session to get used to things and test the compilers.
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ruaok
we got up in running in a few minutes, were all set.
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ruaok
then the Q&A session started.
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ruaok
this was for questions about the environment.
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ruaok
one student asked: What does segmentation fault mean?
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ruaok
EVERYONE but those three students were dying of laughter.
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ianmcorvidae
hah
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ruaok
must've felt shitty to be them. welcome to being a M$ university
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reosarevok
Our C courses in uni were on Windows' CLI, but we were on Physics... are there CS majors out there using only Windows really?
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ianmcorvidae
I think the only correct answer there is "it means you're in the wrong room. no, building."
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reosarevok
I mean, windows felt painful enough to me for that simple shit...
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ianmcorvidae
there are shockingly large numbers of people who still write software for windows, for some reason :P
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ianmcorvidae
(the reason is money)
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reosarevok
Sure
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ianmcorvidae
(but it's still silly to me :P)
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reosarevok
I obviously understand *that*
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reosarevok
But *only teaching Windows*?
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ianmcorvidae
well, most CS programs choose a language
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ianmcorvidae
some of them chose C#
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ianmcorvidae
which, seeing as Mono seems to only occasionally barely work, pretty much means windows :P
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ianmcorvidae
(I'm being a bit harder on Mono than it deserves. but still)
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reosarevok
Poor them
2013-02-01 03239, 2013
reosarevok
(also, "only occasionally barely work" applies to a fair bit of Windows too :p)
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ianmcorvidae
well, sure
2013-02-01 03205, 2013
reosarevok
But yeah, I assume C# is still much more prevalent on win
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reosarevok
(I think I've barely met anyone who usually wrote C# - or who admitted it at least)
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ianmcorvidae
heh
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ianmcorvidae
well, there are several things written in it for linux, even
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ianmcorvidae
(banshee, for example)
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ianmcorvidae
but yeah, it's not super well-liked outside of MS shops
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ianmcorvidae
(even there, heh)
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trazzz
can anoyne confirm i can install musicbrianz on 64bit linux server versus 32bit?
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trazzz
centos or ubuntu ?
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ianmcorvidae
you can install it on any linux, 64 vs. 32 shouldn't matter
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ianmcorvidae
our production servers are ubuntu, so you might have better luck with that, but I know someone was doing an install on centos at one point -- it should be possible, at least
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trazzz
much memory and disk shold give them
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warp
hello!
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ocharles
ianmcorvidae: you are being a bit too hard I think, seeing as 7digital run half there business on mono :p
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ocharles
but I agree, it's still pretty shitty
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warp
warp has changed the topic to: toasty | http://musicbrainz.org/#devel | agenda: reviews, MBS-5800 (reotab/nikki), MBS-5677 (ian), move to bitbucket instead (Freso), triage (warp) | to ask rob: ws meeting
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Freso
Oh, there's a meeting tonight, yes?
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Freso makes sure to have soup ready
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warp
Freso: schema change call for participation meeting
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Freso
warp: Yes yes. I was just checking that I didn't remember the date wrong. :)
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ocharles
what, a meeting tonight?
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ocharles
:/
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ocharles
when was that decided?
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warp
ocharles: around the time of the previous schema change release.
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ocharles
we decided all the way back then to have a meeting on friday?
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ocharles
bleh
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warp
no
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warp
we decided all the way back then to have a meeting on february 1st. (without looking at which week day it was :)
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ocharles
oh
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ocharles
well, i won't be there for it
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ocharles
at least, i doubt i will :)
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warp
ocharles: it's only the call for participation. so it's only to announce that everyone should make sure their favourite schema change tickets are actionable
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warp
ocharles: I probably won't be there for it either. I will have just checked-in to the hotel for FOSDEM probably.
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ocharles
ooo, fun!
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Leftmost
Hmm. Can I get debug output out of ProcessSubscriptions in any way? I'm running it and nothing is happening, but I'm not sure if there's just no error and I'm missing groundwork, or if it's complaining for some reason and I'm not seeing it.
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luks
isn't there a --verbose option?
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Leftmost
Doesn't appear to be doing anything. In fact, throwing printf statements into ProcessSubscriptions is getting me nothing.
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warp
Leftmost: how about warn?
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warp
I don't know if those scripts are affected by the LOGGER_ARGUMENTS settings in DBDefs
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Leftmost
No output from warn either.
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Leftmost
Even sticking a die in the first line gets me nothing.
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warp
then something is going wrong :)
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Leftmost
Clearly. I'm running it with `carton exec -- ./admin/ProcessSubscriptions' just as it's done in daily.sh.
Did exactly that and nothing. I'm not familiar enough with carton to know what could be going wrong. Any ideas?
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warp
hm, no, not really.
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warp
other musicbrainz stuff does run?
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Leftmost
Yep. Server is up and running.
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warp
weird!
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warp
Leftmost: you can run carton exec -- /bin/bash to get a shell with carton's variables. that way you can inspect the environment to see if anything looks wrong there.
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warp
Leftmost: but if the musicbrainz server is running fine, that seems to be correct.
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Leftmost
Odd. If I run it with an option it doesn't actually have it gives me usage output, but I have no clue where that comes from.
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warp
Leftmost: that is done automatically by MooseX::Getopt (used in lib/MusicBrainz/Script/SubscriptionEmails.pm)
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Leftmost
How the hell can it get there but not die if I tell it to die?
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warp
are you editing the right file? :)
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warp
(I have two or three musicbrainz-server checkouts and sometimes get it wrong ;)
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Leftmost
D'oh.
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Leftmost
Ahem.
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Leftmost
I'm not at my best at this hour.
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Leftmost
Thanks for, uhh... debugging my problem. :-P
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warp
:D
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Leftmost
There, output as expected, and even output I wanted to see.
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Leftmost
Now hopefully the email will arrive or I'll have to poke ianmcorvidae into telling me why it didn't. :-P
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ocharles
Good morning
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warp
ocharles: "We need to know how many operations this script will incur, and whether or not that will affect replication packets." what should I do to determine that?
warp: setting up replication locally, running the script, and then poking the replication tables and maybe producing a replication packet and checking the resulting size
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warp
ooph, ok.
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ocharles
it's not much work, don't worry :)
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ocharles
you just need to install dbmirror (from our github account) and then some SQL in admin, and that's about it
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ocharles
you will need a full, representative, dump to run the script against though too
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ocharles
so if you're ran it locally once and nuked your data, you'll need to reimport
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Leftmost
Morning, ocharles.
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warp
ocharles: oh with setting up replication locally you mean generating the replication packets. I was thinking of setting up replication as in a client of the replication packets.
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ocharles
oh, no - you don't need to go that far
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ocharles
if the packet you produce is around the same order of magnitude, I'd say :ship: it
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warp
but I am currently nuking my data, so I still have to do a fresh import.
2013-02-01 03230, 2013
warp
(which won't be done before I have to get ready for fosdem)
