#musicbrainz-devel

warp: http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-5806

cool, google actually sent me my tax form this year!

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yeah, quite a few less.

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me of a time in the programming contenst

Someone gift ruaok new IRC software please

we were in San diego, working on unix machines. each team of 3 had one terminal.

some universities had switched to M$ and thus some students has never seen a unix box.

tough for them.

hahaha

we all had a test run session to get used to things and test the compilers.

we got up in running in a few minutes, were all set.

then the Q&A session started.

this was for questions about the environment.

one student asked: What does segmentation fault mean?

EVERYONE but those three students were dying of laughter.

hah

must've felt shitty to be them. welcome to being a M$ university

Our C courses in uni were on Windows' CLI, but we were on Physics... are there CS majors out there using only Windows really?

I think the only correct answer there is "it means you're in the wrong room. no, building."

I mean, windows felt painful enough to me for that simple shit...

there are shockingly large numbers of people who still write software for windows, for some reason :P

(the reason is money)

Sure

(but it's still silly to me :P)

I obviously understand *that*

But *only teaching Windows*?

well, most CS programs choose a language

some of them chose C#

which, seeing as Mono seems to only occasionally barely work, pretty much means windows :P

(I'm being a bit harder on Mono than it deserves. but still)

Poor them

(also, "only occasionally barely work" applies to a fair bit of Windows too :p)

well, sure

But yeah, I assume C# is still much more prevalent on win

(I think I've barely met anyone who usually wrote C# - or who admitted it at least)

heh

well, there are several things written in it for linux, even

(banshee, for example)

but yeah, it's not super well-liked outside of MS shops

(even there, heh)

can anoyne confirm i can install musicbrianz on 64bit linux server versus 32bit?

centos or ubuntu ?

you can install it on any linux, 64 vs. 32 shouldn't matter

our production servers are ubuntu, so you might have better luck with that, but I know someone was doing an install on centos at one point -- it should be possible, at least

much memory and disk shold give them

hello!

ianmcorvidae: you are being a bit too hard I think, seeing as 7digital run half there business on mono :p

but I agree, it's still pretty shitty

warp has changed the topic to: toasty | http://musicbrainz.org/#devel | agenda: reviews, MBS-5800 (reotab/nikki), MBS-5677 (ian), move to bitbucket instead (Freso), triage (warp) | to ask rob: ws meeting

Oh, there's a meeting tonight, yes?

Freso: schema change call for participation meeting

warp: Yes yes. I was just checking that I didn't remember the date wrong. :)

what, a meeting tonight?

:/

when was that decided?

ocharles: around the time of the previous schema change release.

we decided all the way back then to have a meeting on friday?

bleh

no

we decided all the way back then to have a meeting on february 1st. (without looking at which week day it was :)

oh

well, i won't be there for it

at least, i doubt i will :)

ocharles: it's only the call for participation. so it's only to announce that everyone should make sure their favourite schema change tickets are actionable

ocharles: I probably won't be there for it either. I will have just checked-in to the hotel for FOSDEM probably.

ooo, fun!

Hmm. Can I get debug output out of ProcessSubscriptions in any way? I'm running it and nothing is happening, but I'm not sure if there's just no error and I'm missing groundwork, or if it's complaining for some reason and I'm not seeing it.

isn't there a --verbose option?

Doesn't appear to be doing anything. In fact, throwing printf statements into ProcessSubscriptions is getting me nothing.

Leftmost: how about warn?

I don't know if those scripts are affected by the LOGGER_ARGUMENTS settings in DBDefs

No output from warn either.

Even sticking a die in the first line gets me nothing.

then something is going wrong :)

Clearly. I'm running it with `carton exec -- ./admin/ProcessSubscriptions' just as it's done in daily.sh.

Leftmost: https://pastee.org/9nj6r

Did exactly that and nothing. I'm not familiar enough with carton to know what could be going wrong. Any ideas?

hm, no, not really.

other musicbrainz stuff does run?

Yep. Server is up and running.

weird!

Leftmost: you can run carton exec -- /bin/bash to get a shell with carton's variables. that way you can inspect the environment to see if anything looks wrong there.

Leftmost: but if the musicbrainz server is running fine, that seems to be correct.

Odd. If I run it with an option it doesn't actually have it gives me usage output, but I have no clue where that comes from.

Leftmost: that is done automatically by MooseX::Getopt (used in lib/MusicBrainz/Script/SubscriptionEmails.pm)

How the hell can it get there but not die if I tell it to die?

are you editing the right file? :)

(I have two or three musicbrainz-server checkouts and sometimes get it wrong ;)

D'oh.

Ahem.

I'm not at my best at this hour.

Thanks for, uhh... debugging my problem. :-P

:D

There, output as expected, and even output I wanted to see.

Now hopefully the email will arrive or I'll have to poke ianmcorvidae into telling me why it didn't. :-P

Good morning

ocharles: "We need to know how many operations this script will incur, and whether or not that will affect replication packets." what should I do to determine that?

ocharles: ref. http://codereview.musicbrainz.org/r/2464/

warp: setting up replication locally, running the script, and then poking the replication tables and maybe producing a replication packet and checking the resulting size

ooph, ok.

it's not much work, don't worry :)

you just need to install dbmirror (from our github account) and then some SQL in admin, and that's about it

you will need a full, representative, dump to run the script against though too

so if you're ran it locally once and nuked your data, you'll need to reimport

Morning, ocharles.

ocharles: oh with setting up replication locally you mean generating the replication packets. I was thinking of setting up replication as in a client of the replication packets.

oh, no - you don't need to go that far

if the packet you produce is around the same order of magnitude, I'd say :ship: it

but I am currently nuking my data, so I still have to do a fresh import.

(which won't be done before I have to get ready for fosdem)