#musicbrainz-devel

phew, finally finished on the UI for adding relationship examples

knockout is pretty slick

nice

I need to spend some time with it

there's a few alternatives too which I should look at, but probably will never get around too.

I'm going to take a break, walk somewhere to get some breakfast. back in 30 minutes to an hour orso.

heh, synchronised break taking!

bmat is using our data now too. :)

what's a bmat?

barcelona music and technology

they do broadcast monitoring.

its a tech transfer company out of UPF

cool

oh, is that what bmat sounds for

stands

5:34 PM — ruaok returns from an extended lunch with bmat

nice

alastairp: I got quite a bit of a run-down of their metadata matching stuff, which was nice to hear

cool

I've not actually done anything with them

ruaok: what is broadcast monitoring?

they monitor public TV and/or radio broadcasts to see when a piece of music was used.

its basically enforcement for music licensing.

And they can use our stuff?

I mean, is there any kind of thing that maps to MB and does partial audio matching?

yes, because they have labels and other partners giving them metadata and music for their service.

so, for each customer they need a database of music and metadata to do the broadcast monitoring with.

imagine having n databases, not just one. ouch.

I don't really like the idea of helping watchdogs

But well

and MBIDs are the best way for them to coordinate all their DBs.

since I guess technically we also help pirates...

I imagine it cancels each other out

:p

heh.

regardless, I feel you about enforcers.

editing other peoples words is apparently a grave grave offense and would warrent a 5 paragraph essay on how your pro-censorship if you do that

but this is strategically important, like last.fm. they deal with a lot of people and if they ask "please give us MBIDs" its really good for us.

woots, I added my first example relationship for documentation

ocharles: what was the comment referring to?

a grave offense, probably not. A waste of time, though

in other news, Google search also helps pirates. :-D

grr. I still need a warning when doing cmd-w in irc

and/or focus follows wherever-I-want-it-to-be

hawke_1: indeed, some PRO people in Spain keep saying google should be paying them because of that

:p

reosarevok: those people are idiots.

lol

reosarevok: tbh it's not just spain where people think google should be paying more :P

You’d have *real* “black market” websites, no one would be able to find them except those in the know.

web crawling is for COMMUNISTS, hawke_1

tsk tsk

as I understand it, ascap asks for money even when they don't know what was played/performed.

yeah, most (all?) PROs do

It's your duty to prove you didn't play any of their stuff, not the other way around

which is like w.t.f.

I think that if Google should be paying, they should actually provide some utility to users rather than hindrance/roadblocks…see my bitching in the main channel about Google Books

heh. that definitely sounds like gema, at least :P

reosarevok: that seems fine (that’s their job), but it boggles my mind that the government will enforce that shit)

so, if ascap bills a venue (based on whatever voodoo and math they cobble together), where does the money go if they don't know what was performed?

CallerNo6: into their pockets

ah. it must be nice to have pockets.

indeed

hawke_1: well, they let a private org collect the equivalent of taxes

Starting with that, anything else doesn't surprise me

All that stuff is ridiculous

CallerNo6: if they do know, chances are it also goes into their pockets

lol

well they have to take their 95% cut, right?

I mean, they’re the ones doing the work of finding this!

somebody at sfmt actually asked the panel if there was a non-profit or advocacy group that helped artists deal with rights organizations.

That’s their first mistake.

The correct answer is don’t fucking deal with rights organizations.

well, "deal" as in "resolve a dispute" (of course)

or wait

yeah

They could form a group to deal with the rights orgs.

then when that group fucks them, they could form a group to deal with the rights orgs-orgs

then when that group fucks them…etc.

ZaphodBeeblebrox: your t-shirt arrive in spain today. :)

\o/

btw t-shirt, the t-shirt i bough from zazzle cam just a few days ago

so now i also have an mb shirt!

shot glass I think. I got a whole suitcase of stuff today. including massive amounts of sriracha hot sauce.

awesome

so, "it's groups all the way down" is what I hear hawke saying

yo dawg, i know you like groups, so we put groups in your groups...

hawke_1: if you don't deal with them, they keep all your money

If you deal with them, they just keep most of your money

I can see why they do it :p

loi

reosarevok: If you spend more to deal with them than you get out of them … you lose the money you actually did get too.

nikki could you comment on SEARCH-219 please

btw ruaok if youtalk to brewster and stuff, you can tell him that "that crazy guy with "ZaphodBeeblebrox" email has made an internet archive account now

email me

email you? what exactly?

a reminder

heh I'll have o remind myself to reind you.. heh

I can do it now

still rob @ the website we all love .org?

vale

pardones, no habla espaniol

vale is "yes"?

it's "ok"

Which, yeah, fits weirdly there

vale here is much more than just ok.

but its hard to define it closer than that.

I just love that word. :)

ok it's.. uh "sending" wich probably wont work and takes forever :/

HOME

GOOD

(I guess? :) )

or maybe ~

ruaok: i can't send email

>_<

reosarevok: mbs-4115 pushed, what next? :)

next I pull

:)

what's branch name? mbs-4115 ?

I expect there are more broken tests in that branch I need to look at.

reosarevok: yes.

at git [at bitbucket.org]:warp/musicbrainz-server.git as usual.

ok, pulling

heh, conflicts

Oh, easy ones

still gives me an error

)

did you recreate the test database?