#musicbrainz-devel

IMO, should move the ISWC column after type and language

the later are probably more important

might actually make sense to merge the ISWC and attributes columns (i.e. treat iswc as an attribute)

What are attribute again?

stuff like jasrac id, key, raga, etc.

Oh right

hmm. I've never really liked the way that bootstrap line-wrapped tabs look

like type, raga and tala are all pretty irrelevant to me, but I'd generally like to see jasrac id and iswc... non-japanese editing people probably couldn't give a shit about jasrac ids :P

+1 to that, but maybe for later....

so in the meantime I'd just leave it as it is

well, reordering language before iswc so it's more visible on phone screens probably still isn't a bad idea :)

that makes sense, yes

It makes sense to go through and optimize column order in a lot of places

Since we brought up the footer, what do we do with it and all those links?

nuke them from orbit?

Well google analytics does suggest no one uses most of those links...

getting rid of h1-sized headings would help

heh and I just decreased all of the heading sizes earlier today

(they're h2s, it seems, but for some reason the h2s are the same font size as the h1s)

at the very least, remove everything but about, contact, and maybe developers

The headers in the footer are 16px, whereas regular text is 12 px

+1 kepstin…I was just working on saying basically that. ;-)

both h1 and h2 are 25px for me

nikki: Sounds like a caching issue

kepstin: All the rest could go in a single 'documentation' page, yeah — a landing page on the wiki that can take you to all that other stuff.

navap: same in chrome and I haven't loaded it in chrome before

h2's should be 18px and they're now 12px in the footer

I reduced h2's from 25px to 18px a few hours ago. Have you ever loaded my sandbox in chrome? I still think it's a caching issue

I wish that the new pop up artist stuff

wasn't just over one page in size

so that I don't have to click outside of the modal

and then page down

uh, possibly weeks ago?

and then inside the modal

and then page down

same in firefox..

loading safari now

Is anyone else seeing 25px h2's?

safari is the only one which hasn't

I could maybe understand it in opera, but why the fuck would chrome and firefox be loading weeks-old (at least) cached stuff?

I show 16-px in chrome's document inspector

LESS compiles it to localStorage, which is very annoying

this may be related

if you open a console and run localStorage.clear() that'll ensure it, anyway

it's a pity that firefox has no UI to view or clear local storage yet :/

will that clear it for all sites or only the current one?

just the current

fwiw, doing so on navap.mbsandbox for me changed them from 25px to 18px (along with a page refresh of course)

it seems like it's a bit pointless having the in-browser compiling stuff if it means you can't just edit the styling as you like anyway

Wow, chrome shows I've got a ton of different common.less cached from jan 30th

Whenever I edit the less I just regular refresh chrome and it works right away

I haven't run into cache issues

it seems to be fairly finicky in terms of when it does and doesn't bother to refresh things

If I had to wait for my server to restart each time I edited the less I'd quit... :(

Where my server == rika

downloading all the less files isn't very fast anyway :P

it seems problematic though if you can never be sure other people are seeing what you are

Oh yeah, hang on, I'm tacking on a timestamp to the less file so that you should always get the latest version. So I wonder how you ended up with that cached version

kepstin-laptop: Heh. I was trying to figure out where "pity" was a pain in.

hawke1, kepstin-laptop: Given that the footer height is the same now that I've removed the extra taggers section, does it still make sense to remove more of the columns?

Or rather the footer height won't change by removing more columns

you could make the links in each section multiple columns to make the footer wider and less tall

kepstin-laptop: "it's a pity that firefox has no UI to view or clear local storage yet :/"

well, the headers are still gigantic for me

but fewer links is good

it would probably also help to have one footer, not two :P

I wonder if "downloads" is a good idea... we already get people who think we're providing music downloads, I thought

For reference, http://i.imgur.com/ncabO0X.png

nikki: refresh

navap: I feel like body needs some margin on left and right sides

still getting gigantic headers... the sections feel a bit too spread out now though

(maybe centred would be better)

I dunno...

when I said I agreed with removing links, I wasn't quite thinking of leaving a small selection at the top and dumping loads of others at the bottom instead

I would be fine with removing a bunch more links — maybe keep the three kepstin mentioned (about, contact, developers) as links to /doc landing pages for each?

(and have nothing under them)

Only providing links to those pages is just repeating the top menu though

Not really — those are (presumably?) less-used links.

i.e. top bar is for editors to actually do stuff, while the bottom is reference stuff

Offtopic: What's a word we could use to describe both customers and sponsors?

partners?

(that feels like kind of a loaded business-word which might imply more than it really is, but…)

supporters?

Hey, I’m a supporter. :-p

hawke1: And you're listed buried in the small print on the sponsors page ;)

(I would tend to associate 'supporter' more as people who donated or something, not customer)

am I?

Oh wait, that's just donaters

which is a line-item on sponsors I guess

I don't think "Partners" would be a bad word.

Sure, it's business-y, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

partners seems wrong to me

And there are many ways to be a "partner".

I think it would be OK, but sometimes it implies … working-together-on-a-joint-project-in-something-formal.

"Money sources"

to me it implies we're working together, which isn't the case if someone just donates money in the way that sponsors do, nor is it the case for most of our customers

I dunno, why are you even looking for a single word, navap?

hawke1: Which we do! We work together in that they provide MeB funds to run MB.

Freso: yeah — it’s not a bad word at all.

(Which is not an uncommon type of partnership in the business world, IME.)

nikki: To find a way to remove one of the links in the footer for you :p

remove both, link to them from the about page? :P

I want to give them as much visibility as possible. Customers add legitimacy to us

or just name the link Customers & Sponsors or something :P

Side note: I'm moving those two pages into the MB namespace

I can't say I've ever gone "I really need to know who metabrainz's customers are! oh, thankfully musicbrainz links directly to it from every single page!" :/

bitmap: Yeah, but then what's the url?

nikki: Sure. But you're already part of MB.

well, I thought you were combining them somehow anyway since you wanted a single word

Freso: I can't say I've ever gone to any site and needed to find a direct link to their customers

bitmap: I think I'm not too sure on what I want to do with those two words/pages...

I'd either expect it as part of some "about" text or on the main page

nikki: You're also not someone who is willing to pay thousands of money per year on music data

thousands of dollars*...

heh thousands of money

s/willing/looking/ is probably more accurate

why don't we have a single 'about' link that brings you to a page with info about musicbrainz, people, and a customers section?

On the topic of customers, what are people's thoughts of showing some logos on the home page?

I guess what I'm saying is that it feels out of context, it's not really a page designed to get people to give us money (that's probably closer to "donate"), nor is it really promotion, since it's just a link sitting there where almost nobody will click it

I’d expect to see it maybe on the front page, but not in the footer of every page

yeah

hawke1: Logos? Yes that's all I had in mind

but yes, I'm not a big company and definitely don't understand how they think :P

navap: some sort of Customers heading with highlights.

Something like what community/database/developers is on the front page now.

Just saying I wouldn't necessarily expect it on every page.

Can someone tell me which language link/box to use? Bordered or unbordered?

navap: I hadn't looked before, do you have a link handy for what the two look like?

(at the bottom)

where it's sitting right now it doesn't look like it's clickable unless it's bordered

so what I'd say is

if it's going to be isolated away from other menuy things then border, if it's alongside other things that are obviously links, unbordered

I've removed the sponsors/customers links and also moved some of the links at the bottom up into the big footer. All that I've got left is a link to donate and to twitter

(well, the arrow would help with making it clear it's clickable without the border, but I think I'd still go with the border for that)

Bordered it is.

you definitely need 1px dotted borders around everything

;)