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      • weeksio
        alastairp: the Vitamin String Quartet is showing up because of those aliases, they match keywords and automatically generated phrases...they are showing up so high in the list because of how many artist_credit.ref_counts they are linked to...personally, I have a problem with those aliases...it seems to me like those should be tags...
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      • weeksio
        ...that being said, I understand why they are aliases. I wonder if giving the "Vitamin String Quartet" a negative boost since it really doesn't refer to an artist, but rather a label/series.
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      • weeksio
        I've given some of the other special purpose artists (various artists, unknown, language instruction) significant negative boosts
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      • weeksio
        actually (as I think out loud) if we wanted to I could give a negative boost to artists with the "special purpose artist" tag to cover all of these (this would be more efficient and less code/easier to read)
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      • JesseW
        Mineo: your wikidata bot may need another kick -- it hasn't edited for 11 hours...
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      • Mineo
        does anyone know enough of our transclusion process to know if excluding https://musicbrainz.org/doc/api.php would be possible? someone has sent me an email asking for that page to be excluded because it makes the pywikibot code believe that https://musicbrainz.org/doc/ is a mediawiki installation
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      • Mineo
        how that code ends up accessing that page in the first place, I don't know :P
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      • ruaok wonders what alastairp thinks of the four final NZ flags.
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      • alastairp
        I think the silver fern is tied too much into the identity of our rugby team
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      • alastairp
        and the red ad blue reminds me of a cereal box from the 90s
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      • alastairp
        it kind of feels like we're not trying. "oh, the union flag in the corner doesn't represent who we are, so let's just take the same flag and replace it with a fern!"
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      • zas
        Mineo: i tried to implement the zipimport approach in https://github.com/musicbrainz/picard/pull/420 , have a look please (far from final version, but it works)
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      • ruaok
        yeah, the silver fern looks like an allblack ad.
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      • ruaok
        I think the red/blue fern is pretty nice
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      • UmkaDK_
        Guys, I know it has been officially announced, but does anyone know an unofficial date for the next Schema update?
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      • UmkaDK_
        I seem to recall that it was planned to be some time in October. Am I right?
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      • ruaok
        we've decided to skip the next one.
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      • ruaok
        let me actually blog about that.
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      • UmkaDK_
        Thanks ruaok!! Much appreciated! :)
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      • ruaok
        :)
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      • ruaok
        yay, no work. time to go play!
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      • UmkaDK_
        :)
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      • ruaok
        that felt good to write. :)
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      • mb-chat-logger
        New post: blog: There will be no autumn 2015 schema change <http://blog.musicbrainz.org/2015/09/01/there-will-be-no-autumn-2015-schema-change/>
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      • CatQuest
        weeksio you wanna be careful with that though: for when people are actually searching for VA they'd get http://musicbrainz.org/artist/4e46dd54-81a6-4a75-… instead. (which they shouldn't) or any of the other VA named like so http://musicbrainz.org/search?query=various%20art…
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      • weeksio
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      • weeksio
        Those negative scores are wonky, but there is only one page of results
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      • weeksio
        One thing I'm noticing is that Solr is giving us far fewer pages of results instead of hundreds of pages of useless results
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      • weeksio
        (There is also "indexed search with advanced query syntax" which is not affected by all of the edismax tweaking)
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      • weeksio
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      • ruaok
        gah.
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      • CatQuest
        yea, that first link would be dangerous to employ when people are adding releases. end up putting *a lot* of ones in the wrong place
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      • CatQuest
        also. heh. sometimes I do searches like to *get* lots fo those "useless" results so that I can find shit to fix :)
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      • CatQuest
        on the flip side im finding dodgy things to fix with you solr search so. good jo!
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      • CatQuest
        oh also someone mentioned something the other day.. i twas that when doing a search I'd be cool if it would show you what it matched on, so like, if it was an alias it'd say (alias:Blup Face) or whatever.. it was in here ir #musicbrainz a few days ago i gotta go eat right now but if oy usearch on the chatlogs for "jimi hendrix" thism onth
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      • CatQuest
        look for it whne i return
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      • chirlu` finishes reading 28 hours of backlog, thanks for being welcomed back. ;-)
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      • CatQuest
        you're welcomed back?
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      • CatQuest
        nah jk, welcome back!
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      • chirlu`
        Well, I was 22 hours ago. ;-) ty
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      • weeksio_
        ruaok: do you have any thoughts about "Vitamin String Quartet" or "Various Artists" or any other "special purpose artist"?
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      • weeksio_
        I thought I would check OCLC to see how they treat them and the have them as an artist/group with one alias: "VSQ"
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      • weeksio_
        them = vitamins string quartet (of course)
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      • weeksio_
        -s
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      • ruaok
        how is VSQ different from a normal band?
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      • weeksio_
        "a rotating collective of top classical musicians"
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      • ruaok
        that shouldn't change how we search for them, no?
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      • ruaok
        I can see VA being different.
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      • weeksio_
        the problem with the searchresults is they have done a tribute album for a ton of different bands/artists
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      • ruaok
        CatQuest had some comments about that yesterday
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      • weeksio_
        they have an alias for each tribute album
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      • chirlu`
        The aliases should probably be marked as search hints.
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      • weeksio_
        (I saw them)
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      • chirlu`
        Would that change how your code handles them?
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      • weeksio_
        right now results include alias hits, so vsq is showing up in a lot of search results for the bands they have released tribute albums for
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      • weeksio_
        since they have so many albums, they have high ref counts and they are being bumped way up in popularity
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      • weeksio_
        should album titles be aliases?
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      • weeksio_
        chirlu`: solr can do things like search suggestions, autocomplete, result highlighting...
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      • weeksio_
        ...but those are probably good for a phase 2 of this project
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      • weeksio_
        2, 3, ... , N
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      • weeksio_
        :P
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      • chirlu`
        Good question if they should be search hints. Perhaps not.
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      • chirlu`
        Hm, the aliases weren’t added manually. Probably results from merges.
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      • weeksio_
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      • weeksio_
        As for special purpose artists, I'm refering to these: http://musicbrainz.org/tag/special%20purpose%20ar…
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      • chirlu`
        Not that either, strange …
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      • weeksio_
        I question whether vsq should even have the special purpose artist tag
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      • chirlu`
        Well, it’s a tag, anyone can add it.
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      • weeksio_
        ah...
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      • weeksio_
        yea
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      • weeksio_
        it seemed like it was being used as a "controlled heading" (library term) of sorts
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      • chirlu`
        Still can’t find out how the aliases got there in the first place. :-/
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      • weeksio_
        so that phrase appears as a tag and as a disambiguation...maybe the db schema could have a boolean property for artists that aren't really artists?
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      • weeksio_
        it seems the [] brackets mean something, no?
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      • chirlu`
        Yes, real SPA mostly have [] names.
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      • weeksio_
        ...so 3 different indicators for SPA? Are the brackets the most definitive?
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      • chirlu`
        There is also a list on the wiki. :-)
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      • weeksio_ looks
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      • chirlu`
        And no, it’s Various Artists, not [Various Artists].
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      • weeksio_
        you beat me to it :P
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      • weeksio_
        It would be great to treat all SPAs the same in an artist search to get around the popularity metric boosting them unnaturally, but since the tag can be added by anyone (and has been for VSQ) the tag is not the solution for catching it
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      • chirlu`
        Hm, the aliases are very old. Some got already removed ten years ago, e.g. https://musicbrainz.org/edit/2992988
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      • weeksio_
        can we remove the rest :?P
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      • chirlu`
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      • weeksio_
        (i think I just made up an emoticon)
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      • chirlu`
        weeksio_: CatCat was against it at the time. :)
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      • CatQuest
        uh, it was 10 years ago thoguh
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      • CatQuest
        things were different then
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      • CatQuest
        but yea. there is that issue, with that kind of thing being added. those sohdl be artist credits now or sometihng. idk