does anyone know enough of our transclusion process to know if excluding https://musicbrainz.org/doc/api.php would be possible? someone has sent me an email asking for that page to be excluded because it makes the pywikibot code believe that https://musicbrainz.org/doc/ is a mediawiki installation
2015-09-01 24425, 2015
Mineo
how that code ends up accessing that page in the first place, I don't know :P
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ruaok wonders what alastairp thinks of the four final NZ flags.
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alastairp
I think the silver fern is tied too much into the identity of our rugby team
2015-09-01 24448, 2015
alastairp
and the red ad blue reminds me of a cereal box from the 90s
2015-09-01 24401, 2015
alastairp
it kind of feels like we're not trying. "oh, the union flag in the corner doesn't represent who we are, so let's just take the same flag and replace it with a fern!"
yea, that first link would be dangerous to employ when people are adding releases. end up putting *a lot* of ones in the wrong place
2015-09-01 24401, 2015
CatQuest
also. heh. sometimes I do searches like to *get* lots fo those "useless" results so that I can find shit to fix :)
2015-09-01 24434, 2015
CatQuest
on the flip side im finding dodgy things to fix with you solr search so. good jo!
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CatQuest
oh also someone mentioned something the other day.. i twas that when doing a search I'd be cool if it would show you what it matched on, so like, if it was an alias it'd say (alias:Blup Face) or whatever.. it was in here ir #musicbrainz a few days ago i gotta go eat right now but if oy usearch on the chatlogs for "jimi hendrix" thism onth
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CatQuest
look for it whne i return
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chirlu` finishes reading 28 hours of backlog, thanks for being welcomed back. ;-)
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CatQuest
you're welcomed back?
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CatQuest
nah jk, welcome back!
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chirlu`
Well, I was 22 hours ago. ;-) ty
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weeksio_
ruaok: do you have any thoughts about "Vitamin String Quartet" or "Various Artists" or any other "special purpose artist"?
2015-09-01 24427, 2015
weeksio_
I thought I would check OCLC to see how they treat them and the have them as an artist/group with one alias: "VSQ"
2015-09-01 24445, 2015
weeksio_
them = vitamins string quartet (of course)
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weeksio_
-s
2015-09-01 24432, 2015
ruaok
how is VSQ different from a normal band?
2015-09-01 24431, 2015
weeksio_
"a rotating collective of top classical musicians"
2015-09-01 24409, 2015
ruaok
that shouldn't change how we search for them, no?
2015-09-01 24414, 2015
ruaok
I can see VA being different.
2015-09-01 24415, 2015
weeksio_
the problem with the searchresults is they have done a tribute album for a ton of different bands/artists
2015-09-01 24433, 2015
ruaok
CatQuest had some comments about that yesterday
2015-09-01 24434, 2015
weeksio_
they have an alias for each tribute album
2015-09-01 24449, 2015
chirlu`
The aliases should probably be marked as search hints.
2015-09-01 24453, 2015
weeksio_
(I saw them)
2015-09-01 24410, 2015
chirlu`
Would that change how your code handles them?
2015-09-01 24447, 2015
weeksio_
right now results include alias hits, so vsq is showing up in a lot of search results for the bands they have released tribute albums for
2015-09-01 24429, 2015
weeksio_
since they have so many albums, they have high ref counts and they are being bumped way up in popularity
2015-09-01 24452, 2015
weeksio_
should album titles be aliases?
2015-09-01 24424, 2015
weeksio_
chirlu`: solr can do things like search suggestions, autocomplete, result highlighting...
2015-09-01 24440, 2015
weeksio_
...but those are probably good for a phase 2 of this project
2015-09-01 24400, 2015
weeksio_
2, 3, ... , N
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weeksio_
:P
2015-09-01 24417, 2015
chirlu`
Good question if they should be search hints. Perhaps not.
2015-09-01 24444, 2015
chirlu`
Hm, the aliases werent added manually. Probably results from merges.
I question whether vsq should even have the special purpose artist tag
2015-09-01 24433, 2015
chirlu`
Well, its a tag, anyone can add it.
2015-09-01 24404, 2015
weeksio_
ah...
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weeksio_
yea
2015-09-01 24446, 2015
weeksio_
it seemed like it was being used as a "controlled heading" (library term) of sorts
2015-09-01 24446, 2015
chirlu`
Still cant find out how the aliases got there in the first place. :-/
2015-09-01 24424, 2015
weeksio_
so that phrase appears as a tag and as a disambiguation...maybe the db schema could have a boolean property for artists that aren't really artists?
2015-09-01 24454, 2015
weeksio_
it seems the [] brackets mean something, no?
2015-09-01 24433, 2015
chirlu`
Yes, real SPA mostly have [] names.
2015-09-01 24411, 2015
weeksio_
...so 3 different indicators for SPA? Are the brackets the most definitive?
2015-09-01 24446, 2015
chirlu`
There is also a list on the wiki. :-)
2015-09-01 24459, 2015
weeksio_ looks
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chirlu`
And no, its Various Artists, not [Various Artists].
2015-09-01 24427, 2015
weeksio_
you beat me to it :P
2015-09-01 24439, 2015
weeksio_
It would be great to treat all SPAs the same in an artist search to get around the popularity metric boosting them unnaturally, but since the tag can be added by anyone (and has been for VSQ) the tag is not the solution for catching it
but yea. there is that issue, with that kind of thing being added. those sohdl be artist credits now or sometihng. idk
2015-09-01 24427, 2015
weeksio_
Of course, I could just leave the SPAs alone and let SPAs with high ref_counts appear high in the results
2015-09-01 24441, 2015
CatQuest
what I'm mostly worried about is that while adding VA releases, the "fix-search-thing that weeksio_ proposes will really screw around with the few artists actually *named* "various artists". i think perhaps the age is mature to rename "Various Artists" to [various artists] or something
2015-09-01 24426, 2015
weeksio_
the negative boost is on the mbid not on the phrase
2015-09-01 24449, 2015
CatQuest
I don't know what that means.
2015-09-01 24411, 2015
weeksio_
it will only affect the SPA various artist
2015-09-01 24454, 2015
weeksio_
if the mbid for the SPA is a search result...it gets a negative boost
2015-09-01 24406, 2015
CatQuest
a direct search for "various artists" should *always* have the VA artist first. possibly only, and have the others only available after a "show additional" click or something. we still have people adding VA releases to the wrong "Various Artists" artist
some of the aliases /credits in the VA artist are *wrong* and it's a serious pita to clean them up and it keeps happening because somehow people don't understand how credits work
2015-09-01 24440, 2015
CatQuest
yes. that result is very bad
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weeksio_
ah
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CatQuest
the "right" VA artist is the last one!
2015-09-01 24436, 2015
CatQuest
Torsten Pröfrock is goig ot get some mess . he already does but it's going to be very much worse if it's first
I, personally have no problems with VA, the vitamin string orchestra etc, artists being in more results or higher up than expected
2015-09-01 24439, 2015
CatQuest
there's a thing I just thought of... would it be possible to somehow give the spesific Various Artist" (the real one, with the db row=1) a special icon or something? make it bold
2015-09-01 24443, 2015
weeksio_
K...the problem with VA in particular is the more "popular" it is the more it bumps down everything else
2015-09-01 24456, 2015
CatQuest
the thing with VA is that's a good thing :P
2015-09-01 24426, 2015
CatQuest
uless it comes first in any search
2015-09-01 24402, 2015
CatQuest
that would be.. impractical. but then we should try to find out why so many flase positives happen and fix it at the reason, not hack it os it appears less
