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      • alus
        what does "Error: Cannot connect to the signature server." mean?

        • 2003-03-01 06049, 2003

      • alus
        (not that I can't read the statement, but how do I go about addressing it?)

        • 2003-03-01 06001, 2003

      • ruaok|coding
        ruaok|coding is now known as ruaok

        • 2003-03-01 06010, 2003

      • ruaok
        are you behind a proxy?

        • 2003-03-01 06020, 2003

      • alus
        no, NAT.

        • 2003-03-01 06034, 2003

      • alus
        (and it used to work fine.. a few days ago it stopped)

        • 2003-03-01 06045, 2003

      • ruaok
        Hmm. That is weird.

        • 2003-03-01 06018, 2003

      • alus
        Yup.

        • 2003-03-01 06044, 2003

      • alus
        while I'm here, I might as well mention some of the Disturbing 100% false positives I've had.

        • 2003-03-01 06046, 2003

      • ruaok
        Eeek.

        • 2003-03-01 06054, 2003

      • alus
        the TRM must not be unique enough

        • 2003-03-01 06043, 2003

      • ruaok
        we have the latest and greatest kernel ready to roll, but that requires a reboot..

        • 2003-03-01 06059, 2003

      • alus
        why wait? ;)

        • 2003-03-01 06015, 2003

      • ruaok
        Sigh.

        • 2003-03-01 06022, 2003

      • ruaok
        That server is maxxed out at 1.5Gb.

        • 2003-03-01 06010, 2003

      • alus
        oh, one more thing: in the naming scheme I'd really like to be able to says something like: %artist\%album\%num. %track

        • 2003-03-01 06019, 2003

      • alus
        as-is it drops the \'s and .'s

        • 2003-03-01 06002, 2003

      • alus
        probably because it'll be a pain to create the directories and process that intelligently - but a man can dream, can't he?

        • 2003-03-01 06009, 2003

      • ruaok
        \ is a reserved filesystem character.

        • 2003-03-01 06020, 2003

      • ruaok
        Oh, you mean subdirs?

        • 2003-03-01 06025, 2003

      • ruaok
        Yeah, thats in the todo list.

        • 2003-03-01 06026, 2003

      • alus
        yeah

        • 2003-03-01 06030, 2003

      • alus
        oh, cool.

        • 2003-03-01 06039, 2003

      • alus
        meanwhile, I wrote a handy perl script :)

        • 2003-03-01 06053, 2003

      • djce
        ruaok: What does 'sigserver' do exactly?

        • 2003-03-01 06059, 2003

      • alus
        speaking of - can I interface with the musicbrainz database via perl?

        • 2003-03-01 06010, 2003

      • ruaok
        alus: yes.

        • 2003-03-01 06018, 2003

      • alus
        oh boy!

        • 2003-03-01 06029, 2003

      • ruaok
        Sigserver correlates the acousting fingerprint data into TRM ids

        • 2003-03-01 06039, 2003

      • djce
        I thought that was 'gateway'

        • 2003-03-01 06042, 2003

      • ruaok
        It does multidimensional indexing/clustering.

        • 2003-03-01 06046, 2003

      • ruaok
        no.

        • 2003-03-01 06006, 2003

      • djce
        sigserver eats a *lot* of memory, I think.

        • 2003-03-01 06006, 2003

      • ruaok
        Gateway marshalls the port 80 request to the sigserver which runs on port 4447

        • 2003-03-01 06014, 2003

      • djce
        I see.

        • 2003-03-01 06022, 2003

      • ruaok
        Pre-set that way on purpose.

        • 2003-03-01 06037, 2003

      • ruaok
        Its probably too much.

        • 2003-03-01 06048, 2003

      • ruaok
        Maybe we can get Chutt to crank it down a bit.

        • 2003-03-01 06007, 2003

      • djce
        What might the effect be? Slower TRM generation?

        • 2003-03-01 06013, 2003

      • ruaok
        what can we do to optimize that slow lookup count query?

        • 2003-03-01 06025, 2003

      • alus
        ruaok: has someone made a perl module? where can I find information on this?

        • 2003-03-01 06032, 2003

      • ruaok
        not entirely certain.

        • 2003-03-01 06054, 2003

      • ruaok
        They have it tuned for max performance which might be taking a hit on the rest of the system performance.

        • 2003-03-01 06003, 2003

      • djce
        slow query log: most of the queries shouldn't be slow at all - good indexes etc. Hence I suspect memory starvation.

        • 2003-03-01 06015, 2003

      • ruaok
        alus: download the libmusicbrainz from CVS.

        • 2003-03-01 06039, 2003

      • ruaok
        the update queries are ASS slow.

        • 2003-03-01 06042, 2003

      • djce
        Once memory starvation goes away, the log will then only contain queries which are actually a problem

        • 2003-03-01 06045, 2003

      • ruaok
        Even when the machine has lots of space.

        • 2003-03-01 06048, 2003

      • ruaok
        memory, that is.

        • 2003-03-01 06056, 2003

      • djce
        What, like now you mean?

        • 2003-03-01 06011, 2003

      • ruaok
        no, like on the staging server.

        • 2003-03-01 06044, 2003

      • ruaok
        not much going on but doing an update to a single row takes DAYS!

        • 2003-03-01 06056, 2003

      • djce
        Yes. Not good at all.

        • 2003-03-01 06027, 2003

      • ruaok
        I want a new server for the DB along.

        • 2003-03-01 06043, 2003

      • ruaok
        But we can't afford the extra $50/month.

        • 2003-03-01 06048, 2003

      • soccos
        alus: musicbrainz modules are on CPAN

        • 2003-03-01 06055, 2003

      • djce
        That's the hosting fee?

        • 2003-03-01 06003, 2003

      • ruaok
        yup..

        • 2003-03-01 06006, 2003

      • ruaok
        Nice, eh?

        • 2003-03-01 06015, 2003

      • ruaok
        have you checked out the performance of the TRM update on your local machine to get an idea of its speed?

        • 2003-03-01 06020, 2003

      • ruaok
        Its not pretty.

        • 2003-03-01 06031, 2003

      • djce
        How is Chutt on optimizing memory use? I've got hardly a clue in that area ...

        • 2003-03-01 06039, 2003

      • djce
        What, that single SQL statement?

        • 2003-03-01 06045, 2003

      • soccos
        ruaok: why don't you auction a new haircut on ebay?

        • 2003-03-01 06047, 2003

      • ruaok
        yea

        • 2003-03-01 06059, 2003

      • djce
        Or the whole TRM request?

        • 2003-03-01 06004, 2003

      • phidauex
        you got p2p shaved into your head, didn't you?

        • 2003-03-01 06007, 2003

      • phidauex
        or is that not done yet?

        • 2003-03-01 06030, 2003

      • ruaok
        yea, that is old hat. google for 'mayhem chaos hair' to see it.

        • 2003-03-01 06040, 2003

      • phidauex
        ok, i think i've seen pictures

        • 2003-03-01 06042, 2003

      • phidauex
        now that i think about it

        • 2003-03-01 06043, 2003

      • ruaok
        soccos: I don't have time to set that up right now...

        • 2003-03-01 06045, 2003

      • alus
        soccos: what's it called?

        • 2003-03-01 06009, 2003

      • ruaok
        djce: I was referring only to the update query

        • 2003-03-01 06012, 2003

      • soccos
        just search for Musicbrainz alus

        • 2003-03-01 06045, 2003

      • ruaok
        djce: lemme mail chutt and ask him;

        • 2003-03-01 06012, 2003

      • verus has quit

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      • ruaok
        ruaok is now known as ruaok|coding

        • 2003-03-01 06025, 2003

      • soccos
        is MusicBrainz::* with a 'B' the best namespace?

        • 2003-03-01 06030, 2003

      • djce
        In that it's named after the product, yes. Why not?

        • 2003-03-01 06059, 2003

      • soccos
        I thought Perl namespaces didn't do camel case (ironically)

        • 2003-03-01 06023, 2003

      • soccos
        whatever

        • 2003-03-01 06049, 2003

      • real
        real (real@h65-222-106-121.fl.shawcable.net) has joined #musicbrainz

        • 2003-03-01 06040, 2003

      • djce
        I think the only rule is not to use all lower case - that's reserved by Perl itself.

        • 2003-03-01 06058, 2003

      • soccos
        fair enough

        • 2003-03-01 06006, 2003

      • phidauex
        i'm all for camel case

        • 2003-03-01 06018, 2003

      • phidauex
        it reminds me of wiki's and Cocoa

        • 2003-03-01 06025, 2003

      • phidauex
        both of which are pleasant

        • 2003-03-01 06027, 2003

      • soccos realises he has a CPAN module with a camel case namespace ;-)

        • 2003-03-01 06034, 2003

      • phidauex
        heh ;)

        • 2003-03-01 06034, 2003

      • djce
        :-)

        • 2003-03-01 06000, 2003

      • djce
        Catchy name for it, too. I haven't heard it called that before.

        • 2003-03-01 06002, 2003

      • phidauex
        oh emoticon, is there no emotion you are not equipped to emulate?

        • 2003-03-01 06041, 2003

      • soccos
        there's an argument that everything Perl should be camel case

        • 2003-03-01 06059, 2003

      • phidauex
        based on anything more than the fact that there is a camel on the perl book?

        • 2003-03-01 06010, 2003

      • phidauex
        I think it makes code pretty readable

        • 2003-03-01 06015, 2003

      • alus wonders if libmusicbrainz2 will compile on cygwin

        • 2003-03-01 06015, 2003

      • soccos
        no, nothing more than that :)

        • 2003-03-01 06051, 2003

      • soccos
        alus "Untested"

        • 2003-03-01 06010, 2003

      • soccos
        go on, you know you want to :)

        • 2003-03-01 06019, 2003

      • phidauex
        cfcreateurlbyaddingpercentescapes or CFCreateURLByAddingPercentEscapes

        • 2003-03-01 06026, 2003

      • phidauex
        i choose #2

        • 2003-03-01 06029, 2003

      • alus
        2

        • 2003-03-01 06039, 2003

      • soccos
        this_is_the_perl_way

        • 2003-03-01 06059, 2003

      • phidauex
        that_takes_to_much_time

        • 2003-03-01 06008, 2003

      • soccos
        not_if_you_can_touch_type

        • 2003-03-01 06009, 2003

      • phidauex
        it takes two strokes to generate an underscore

        • 2003-03-01 06021, 2003

      • phidauex
        shift -

        • 2003-03-01 06033, 2003

      • phidauex
        however, camel case is just like normal writing, cept' you leave out the space

        • 2003-03-01 06048, 2003

      • soccos
        you still have to shift though

        • 2003-03-01 06055, 2003

      • phidauex
        if you count the shift-letter as two strokes, then its the same as normal writing

        • 2003-03-01 06021, 2003

      • phidauex
        the_perl_way takes 14 strokes

        • 2003-03-01 06027, 2003

      • soccos
        I'd never really thought about it but I think the underscores is more readable

        • 2003-03-01 06041, 2003

      • phidauex
        thePerlWay takes 12

        • 2003-03-01 06051, 2003

      • phidauex
        i suppose they are both pretty readable

        • 2003-03-01 06015, 2003

      • soccos
        better than all lowercase

        • 2003-03-01 06031, 2003

      • phidauex
        one benefit of camel case, at least in the cocoa frameworks, is that since most method names are incredibly long, the addition of underscores can really bloat out a line of code

        • 2003-03-01 06052, 2003

      • phidauex
        i mean, when you are already dealing with things like initializeWithURLByRemovingStandardPercentEscapes

        • 2003-03-01 06013, 2003

      • phidauex
        writing it as initialize_with_url_by_removing_standard_percent_escapes is just getting nuts

        • 2003-03-01 06059, 2003

      • soccos
        maybe the object model is wrong

        • 2003-03-01 06029, 2003

      • phidauex
        could be. some of the cocoa methods are very long. but that goes along with their philosophy of making it incredibly easy to use

        • 2003-03-01 06008, 2003

      • phidauex
        often if you want to do something, you can just guess, and 9 times out of 10 the method name you guessed will actually exist

        • 2003-03-01 06042, 2003

      • soccos
        wow Sander did a good job with the Perl bindings

        • 2003-03-01 06019, 2003

      • soccos
        I don't suppose any Perl is allowed in building wikipedia pages

        • 2003-03-01 06051, 2003

      • soccos
        (or any other binding for that matter)?

        • 2003-03-01 06009, 2003

      • soccos
        I was thinking it would be pretty easy to automate adding MB links that way

        • 2003-03-01 06014, 2003

      • djce
        g'nite all

        • 2003-03-01 06023, 2003

      • soccos
        bye

        • 2003-03-01 06028, 2003

      • djce has quit

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      • soccos
        soccos is now known as soccos|away

        • 2003-03-01 06021, 2003

      • alus
        hm, libmusicbrainz seemed to install fine, but the Client perl module failed trying to access it

        • 2003-03-01 06012, 2003

      • alus
        (on cygwin)

        • 2003-03-01 06025, 2003

      • soccos|away
        soccos|away is now known as soccos

        • 2003-03-01 06025, 2003

      • soccos
        sander just release 0.06

        • 2003-03-01 06006, 2003

      • soccos
        hasn't hit my mirror yet

        • 2003-03-01 06011, 2003

      • soccos
        soccos is now known as soccos|away

        • 2003-03-01 06013, 2003

      • SvanZoest
        SvanZoest (~sander@rietveld.vanzoest.com) has joined #musicbrainz

        • 2003-03-01 06010, 2003

      • mjflick
        cygwin ;p

        • 2003-03-01 06001, 2003

      • soccos|away
        soccos|away is now known as soccos

        • 2003-03-01 06013, 2003

      • soccos
        Nice Perl bindings SvanZoest

        • 2003-03-01 06003, 2003

      • SvanZoest
        thanks. Let me know how to make them better. :)

        • 2003-03-01 06015, 2003

      • ruaok|coding has quit

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      • SvanZoest
        oard & Brew Sandwich Shop1212 Camino Del Mar, Del Mar858-481-1021

        • 2003-03-01 06034, 2003

      • SvanZoest
        hmm.. sandwiches. :)

        • 2003-03-01 06013, 2003

      • soccos
        hmm ... dinner

        • 2003-03-01 06048, 2003

      • soccos
        soccos is now known as soccos|away

        • 2003-03-01 06008, 2003

      • phidauex
        sandwiches

        • 2003-03-01 06011, 2003

      • phidauex
        sound good.

        • 2003-03-01 06018, 2003

      • phidauex
        sandwiches and beer

        • 2003-03-01 06006, 2003

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