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      • ruaok
        I suppose it doesn't really matter today.

        • 2003-03-01 06053, 2003

      • ruaok
        When we bring more server and mirrors online that will matter.

        • 2003-03-01 06010, 2003

      • djce
        Actually earlier on I was looking at the "rewrite" rules we use....

        • 2003-03-01 06033, 2003

      • ruaok
        The load is ten and we only have 25 https running.

        • 2003-03-01 06041, 2003

      • ruaok
        Is that good or bad?

        • 2003-03-01 06043, 2003

      • ruaok
        :-)

        • 2003-03-01 06045, 2003

      • djce
        I was thinking that "/artist/uuid......" could be the HTML page on "www.", and the RDF on "mm...."

        • 2003-03-01 06052, 2003

      • djce
        Good, I think :-)

        • 2003-03-01 06006, 2003

      • djce
        Hard to say!

        • 2003-03-01 06031, 2003

      • djce
        I think perceived / actual HTTP response time is probably the better measure

        • 2003-03-01 06033, 2003

      • ruaok
        Well, the site responds pretty snappily.

        • 2003-03-01 06038, 2003

      • djce
        Yup

        • 2003-03-01 06053, 2003

      • ruaok
        And fewer https is good too, I suppose.

        • 2003-03-01 06006, 2003

      • djce
        Ah, another thought:

        • 2003-03-01 06026, 2003

      • djce
        the web log analyser is now only going to be looking at the back-end log file.

        • 2003-03-01 06046, 2003

      • djce
        Perhaps it should be moved to look at the front-end log only? Or as well?

        • 2003-03-01 06050, 2003

      • ruaok
        on our busiest day in feb we pushed 3.6Gb of traffic out the door.

        • 2003-03-01 06006, 2003

      • ruaok
        ohh, good thought.

        • 2003-03-01 06024, 2003

      • ruaok
        Not sure how webalizer handles this.

        • 2003-03-01 06036, 2003

      • ruaok
        Does the proxy log the requests for the backend as well?

        • 2003-03-01 06041, 2003

      • djce
        Yes.

        • 2003-03-01 06051, 2003

      • djce
        backend is a subset of proxy

        • 2003-03-01 06017, 2003

      • ruaok
        So by analyzing the proxy we get an accurate picture of the traffic on the site, no?

        • 2003-03-01 06037, 2003

      • djce
        yes, should be. Just like the old log file, before the proxy appeared.

        • 2003-03-01 06058, 2003

      • djce
        Of course, since the proxy was turned on just about 34 hours ago, it will have processed at least some of the wrong data.

        • 2003-03-01 06024, 2003

      • ruaok
        where are the log files for the proxy?

        • 2003-03-01 06007, 2003

      • djce
        /usr/local/perl58/apache2/logs

        • 2003-03-01 06033, 2003

      • ruaok
        ok, I will stick webalizer on those logs then.

        • 2003-03-01 06039, 2003

      • ruaok
        Lets see what happens. :-)

        • 2003-03-01 06053, 2003

      • djce
        ok

        • 2003-03-01 06008, 2003

      • djce
        You don't know much about "logwatch" do you?

        • 2003-03-01 06015, 2003

      • ruaok
        sorry, no.

        • 2003-03-01 06018, 2003

      • djce
        :-(

        • 2003-03-01 06002, 2003

      • ruaok
        do you mind if we switch the log format for the proxy to combined?

        • 2003-03-01 06007, 2003

      • verus
        does tune-tagger look at id3v1 tag or id3v2?

        • 2003-03-01 06022, 2003

      • ruaok
        dunno. MB tagger does both.

        • 2003-03-01 06022, 2003

      • djce
        A machine at work, which normally runs happily unattended for months on end, suddenly went ape yesterday. logwatch used up loads of CPU, all the disk, and took the machine down :-(

        • 2003-03-01 06026, 2003

      • djce
        log format: go ahead

        • 2003-03-01 06034, 2003

      • ruaok
        k

        • 2003-03-01 06037, 2003

      • djce
        But is it not already?

        • 2003-03-01 06058, 2003

      • ruaok
        doesn't look like it on first inspection. I'll double check.

        • 2003-03-01 06010, 2003

      • djce
        CustomLog logs/access_log combined

        • 2003-03-01 06021, 2003

      • djce
        httpd.conf line 516

        • 2003-03-01 06024, 2003

      • ruaok
        never mind then. :-)

        • 2003-03-01 06030, 2003

      • djce
        :-)

        • 2003-03-01 06010, 2003

      • djce
        Actually, the only thing missing from the proxy logs is the moderator name in the "username" field.

        • 2003-03-01 06017, 2003

      • djce
        tough :-)

        • 2003-03-01 06053, 2003

      • ruaok
        running webalizer now.

        • 2003-03-01 06005, 2003

      • djce
        ok.

        • 2003-03-01 06014, 2003

      • djce
        It knows where to start looking from, yes?

        • 2003-03-01 06034, 2003

      • ruaok
        it keeps a history so it should be smart enough.

        • 2003-03-01 06053, 2003

      • djce
        Not per-file specific, hopefully

        • 2003-03-01 06044, 2003

      • ruaok
        seems ok.

        • 2003-03-01 06056, 2003

      • ruaok
        the numbers for march looked off before, but now they seem to be right on.

        • 2003-03-01 06002, 2003

      • ruaok
        Another thing taken care of.

        • 2003-03-01 06011, 2003

      • ruaok
        so, I've got a question for you....

        • 2003-03-01 06024, 2003

      • ruaok
        It pertains to how we work together and divvy up the server work.

        • 2003-03-01 06001, 2003

      • djce
        ok

        • 2003-03-01 06023, 2003

      • ruaok
        There are tons of little things here and there that need to get done.

        • 2003-03-01 06041, 2003

      • ruaok
        at what point do I do it and when do I punt it to you?

        • 2003-03-01 06055, 2003

      • ruaok
        You're not my slave so I don't want to punt everything to you.

        • 2003-03-01 06002, 2003

      • djce
        For server code only, yes?

        • 2003-03-01 06005, 2003

      • ruaok
        yes

        • 2003-03-01 06027, 2003

      • ruaok
        any ideas or guidelines you would suggest?

        • 2003-03-01 06038, 2003

      • djce
        hmmm. In general I think it's safe to say you're able to spend more time on MB than I can.

        • 2003-03-01 06050, 2003

      • djce
        mmm.....

        • 2003-03-01 06051, 2003

      • ruaok
        yup.

        • 2003-03-01 06054, 2003

      • djce thinks

        • 2003-03-01 06042, 2003

      • djce
        I don't know. Well I am pretty much always contactable, time zones permitting.

        • 2003-03-01 06007, 2003

      • djce
        So you could just ask, and I'll say whether I think it would be better for me, or you, to do it.

        • 2003-03-01 06009, 2003

      • ruaok
        Its not so much about availability than about workload

        • 2003-03-01 06028, 2003

      • ruaok
        One thing I thought of was to use the bug tracking more.

        • 2003-03-01 06042, 2003

      • djce
        Yes, but as long as I'm here to be asked, and I respond when you ask, then we can just work it out as we go.

        • 2003-03-01 06042, 2003

      • ruaok
        So, when I think of something that needs to get done, I will enter a bug.

        • 2003-03-01 06006, 2003

      • djce
        But I like my flat text "TODO" file :-)

        • 2003-03-01 06021, 2003

      • ruaok
        Do I have permission to edit that file?

        • 2003-03-01 06034, 2003

      • ruaok
        (porverbial, not chmod)

        • 2003-03-01 06007, 2003

      • djce
        The copy on zim is currently overwritten by a cron job from my copy here. But we could always nominate the zim copy as the master.

        • 2003-03-01 06032, 2003

      • ruaok
        And then we could add a 'Rob seys' section.

        • 2003-03-01 06050, 2003

      • djce
        Hold on, I'll just disable the cron job...

        • 2003-03-01 06005, 2003

      • ruaok
        Then if I add something to that list, and you disagree or don't feel like doing it (which are valid responses) you can just put it back onto my todo list.

        • 2003-03-01 06017, 2003

      • djce
        Done. Now the master copy is dave zim.musicbrainz.org:./public_html/TODO.txt

        • 2003-03-01 06030, 2003

      • djce
        And where is your TODO list?

        • 2003-03-01 06040, 2003

      • ruaok
        same place.

        • 2003-03-01 06045, 2003

      • ruaok
        just my account.

        • 2003-03-01 06054, 2003

      • djce
        ~rob/public_html ?

        • 2003-03-01 06058, 2003

      • ruaok
        dah

        • 2003-03-01 06012, 2003

      • ruaok
        and if you have something for me that I need to do, please edit my file.

        • 2003-03-01 06014, 2003

      • djce
        ok

        • 2003-03-01 06023, 2003

      • ruaok
        perfect.

        • 2003-03-01 06033, 2003

      • djce
        Bug tracking tools? Who need them? Pah! :-)

        • 2003-03-01 06041, 2003

      • ruaok
        I wish it was this easy working with 'normal' workmates.

        • 2003-03-01 06020, 2003

      • djce
        Now the next obvious step is to keep the TODO files in CVS, so that mb-commits tells us when they've changed :-)

        • 2003-03-01 06031, 2003

      • djce
        But maybe e-mail and IRC do that job better.

        • 2003-03-01 06036, 2003

      • ruaok
        Hmmm. Not a bad idea.

        • 2003-03-01 06039, 2003

      • ruaok
        Yeah.

        • 2003-03-01 06054, 2003

      • ruaok
        When we're out and about talking I will just mention things to you.

        • 2003-03-01 06059, 2003

      • djce
        ok

        • 2003-03-01 06002, 2003

      • djce
        Sorted!

        • 2003-03-01 06018, 2003

      • ruaok
        now what was it that I wanted to add to your list???

        • 2003-03-01 06026, 2003

      • djce
        Nothing! ;-)

        • 2003-03-01 06029, 2003

      • ruaok
        eh, I'll remember later.

        • 2003-03-01 06043, 2003

      • ruaok
        (besides we may not have enough disk space for all that)

        • 2003-03-01 06045, 2003

      • djce
        Artist URL data?

        • 2003-03-01 06046, 2003

      • ruaok
        :-)

        • 2003-03-01 06001, 2003

      • ruaok
        do you want to do that one or should I?

        • 2003-03-01 06012, 2003

      • lovegnome
        lovegnome (~bryan@adsl-63-202-145-178.dsl.snlo01.pacbell.net) has joined #musicbrainz

        • 2003-03-01 06031, 2003

      • djce
        I'd be really happy to take on all sorts, once the staging server update is out of the way. That pending update is making me nervous.

        • 2003-03-01 06041, 2003

      • ruaok
        hehehe.

        • 2003-03-01 06048, 2003

      • ruaok
        when do you want to do the update? tomorrow?

        • 2003-03-01 06052, 2003

      • ruaok
        today?

        • 2003-03-01 06056, 2003

      • ruaok
        I'm easy.

        • 2003-03-01 06015, 2003

      • lovegnome
        Someone one to double check a bug on the staging server for me?

        • 2003-03-01 06028, 2003

      • ruaok
        sure -- whats up?

        • 2003-03-01 06013, 2003

      • lovegnome
        Just a sec...

        • 2003-03-01 06046, 2003

      • djce
        ruaok: can you do the "cvsstat" thing on the staging server for me? It's dead easy.

        • 2003-03-01 06004, 2003

      • ruaok
        djce: lovegnome is my friend, and he has been instrumental in testing the tagger and server features....

        • 2003-03-01 06013, 2003

      • djce
        Kudos to lovegnome!

        • 2003-03-01 06017, 2003

      • ruaok
        cvssta?

        • 2003-03-01 06026, 2003

      • djce
        A little script of mine.

        • 2003-03-01 06034, 2003

      • ruaok
        k

        • 2003-03-01 06035, 2003

      • djce
        Or maybe PowerNet's really, but it's dead handy :-)

        • 2003-03-01 06047, 2003

      • djce
        There's a copy in ~dave/cvsstat

        • 2003-03-01 06002, 2003

      • djce
        Just "cd" to the mb_server directory on the staging server,

        • 2003-03-01 06014, 2003

      • djce
        then run "cvsstat" from there, and save the output.

        • 2003-03-01 06026, 2003

      • djce
        All it does is "cvs status", collapsing the results to one line per file.

        • 2003-03-01 06042, 2003

      • ruaok
        k

        • 2003-03-01 06059, 2003

      • djce
        Then I can compare the results to zim, and see what we're up against.

        • 2003-03-01 06016, 2003

      • lovegnome
        Hrm...I'm having trouble reproducing it in the normal browser, just the tagger. Look up the following CD Index: 9USL2slPfJe3Pn8D2nKpjpuGTLs-

        • 2003-03-01 06055, 2003

      • lovegnome
        Then try to edit the album's title.

        • 2003-03-01 06021, 2003

      • lovegnome
        I get: "The arguments supplied to this page are invalid.

        • 2003-03-01 06022, 2003

      • lovegnome
        Please check the arguments and then try loading this page again. "

        • 2003-03-01 06029, 2003

      • djce
        Works for me

        • 2003-03-01 06032, 2003

      • ruaok
        jean just found some stuff we were missing before last years BM.

        • 2003-03-01 06001, 2003

      • ruaok
        damn, those parts were expensive too. :-(

        • 2003-03-01 06002, 2003

      • djce
        lovegnome: is the error when you first click "Edit", or when you submit the edited name?

        • 2003-03-01 06011, 2003

      • lovegnome
        When I click edit.

        • 2003-03-01 06028, 2003

      • djce
        What's the URL of the link you're clicking?

        • 2003-03-01 06030, 2003

      • lovegnome
        And I'm getting the same thing on the production server.

        • 2003-03-01 06036, 2003

      • djce
        Mine is http://musicbrainz.org/editalbum.html?id=86064&am…

        • 2003-03-01 06059, 2003

      • djce
        Works for me on the staging server too

        • 2003-03-01 06008, 2003

      • djce
        "Eminem Show", right?

        • 2003-03-01 06017, 2003

      • lovegnome
        Are you in a browser or in then mbtagger?

        • 2003-03-01 06022, 2003

      • djce
        browser

        • 2003-03-01 06023, 2003

      • lovegnome
        Yes. "Eminem Show"

        • 2003-03-01 06055, 2003

      • lovegnome
        It's only in the tagger. So I guess it's a client bug.

        • 2003-03-01 06003, 2003

      • djce
        wait a mo...

        • 2003-03-01 06021, 2003

      • djce
        You're moderator "lovegnome" too, right?

        • 2003-03-01 06023, 2003

      • lovegnome
        djce...you do the webpages.

        • 2003-03-01 06025, 2003

      • lovegnome
        Yes.