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      • verus
        i just saw a comet
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      • verus
        !
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      • verus
        or a start falling
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      • JamesConf
        anyone mind helping me with a little config proble with trm?
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      • aeon_t
        hey all
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      • aeon_t
        anyone know what "Failed dependency" error means on my failed moderations?
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      • djce
        Hi aeon_t. Still there?
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      • djce
        Well anyway here's the answer to your question, you can read it when you get back.
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      • djce
        "Failed dependency" means that something to do with the data you were trying to change has itself changed since you entered the moderation.
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      • djce
        For example, let's say you change an artist name from "Bob" to "Bobby"
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      • djce
        If someone else changes the name to, say, "Robert" before your mod gets approved,
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      • djce
        then you'll get a Failed Dependency.
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      • djce
        This is because the system checks that the old data is still in place ("Bob") before changing it to its new value ("Bobby").
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      • djce
        But in the example, it's not "Bob", it's "Robert". Hence the failure.
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      • djce
        Hope that helps!
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      • djce
        If you could tell us exactly which moderation you're interested in, we could probably give you a more precise reason.
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      • aeon_t
        ah, I see.
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      • aeon_t
        thanks a lot.
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      • aeon_t
        aeon_t is now known as aeon_sleep
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      • ruaok
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      • ruaok
        djce: evening!
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      • djce
        hi!
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      • ruaok
        did you pick up the changes I checked in last night for libtp?
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      • djce
        Not yet.... let me go see.
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      • ruaok
        not important, I just wanted you to be aware.
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      • djce
        ah yes, new calls. ok.
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      • djce
        how's the TP-tagger doing?
      • 2003-08-01 21358, 2003

      • djce
        forming into shape?
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      • ruaok
        Coming along.
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      • ruaok
        Its not too much work, really.
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      • ruaok
        All the hard stuff is being done by libtp.
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      • djce
        Good :-)
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      • ruaok
        Now its just UI, which is nice.
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      • djce
        wxPython, yes?
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      • ruaok
        oh, no.
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      • djce
        oh no, C first isn't it.
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      • djce
        I remember.
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      • ruaok
        Yes, its mb_tagger rehashed.
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      • ruaok
        I won't start on the python tagger until after BM.
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      • djce
        ok.
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      • djce
        I can imagine it feels pretty good to go through the mb_tagger and delete large swathes of now-ununsed code.
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      • djce likes deleting code
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      • ruaok
        me too.
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      • ruaok
        There is less satisfaction in deleting whole files.
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      • djce
        I like both.
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      • ruaok
        That was the biggest case -- the code base is only 1/3 of the previous...
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      • djce
        :-)
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      • djce
        What is tp_SimilarityCheck? Is it a "do" method, or a set, or get, or what? I can't tell from the code.
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      • ruaok
        its an 'or what'.
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      • ruaok
        :-)
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      • djce
        oh, that's all right then :-)
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      • ruaok
        Given a threshold it checks to see if there are any matched files that are below that threshold.
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      • djce
        for all tracks?
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      • ruaok
        in order to pop up a warning for low matching files.
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      • ruaok
        All tracks that are recognized
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      • djce
        and that's the return value? if the popup should be shown?
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      • ruaok
        t/f
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      • ruaok
        yes
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      • djce tries to think of a more helpful method name
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      • ruaok
        I'm open for suggestions...
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      • djce
        yeah, but I can't think of any!
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      • djce
        tp_AreAnyFilesBelowSimilarityThreshold :-(
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      • djce
        int tp_CountFilesBelowSimilarity ?
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      • djce
        Anyway, I've just committed the perl binding changes for the two new methods.
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      • ruaok
        yeay!
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      • ruaok
        ok, time to hit the road...
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      • ruaok
        Talk to you.... probably sunday or monday...
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      • ruaok
        l8!
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      • codeFiend
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      • codeFiend
        hmm, does anyone know what the internationalization plans for the database are?
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      • djce
        What sort of things do you have in mind?
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      • codeFiend
        well, for example artist names in non-latin charsets.
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      • djce
        That's already possible.
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      • codeFiend
        I tried searching for several russian artists in cyrillic - no luck.
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      • djce
        Certain parts of the system are either optimised for, or at least work best with, latin / English data though.
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      • codeFiend
        hmm.
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      • djce
        Are you sure it's in there?
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      • djce
        I mean, is it the search that's faulty?
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      • codeFiend
        no, I'm not sure. But if search can't turn it up, I can't verify that it exists.
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      • djce
        True.
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      • codeFiend
        and since the 'browse by alphabet' function is for latin alphabet only, I can't use that either.
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      • djce
        Currently the search works like this:
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      • djce
        your search text is split into words, on non alphanumeric characters.
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      • djce
        (so that should still work in Cyrillic).
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      • codeFiend
        I could try creating an artist in cyrillic and then doing a search for it... and seeing if that would turn it up.
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      • djce
        Then, the words are converted to lower case.
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      • djce
        which should also still work.
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      • djce
        Then, it is "unaccented" - which might be the iffy part.
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      • djce
        Then it's matched against the artist names.
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      • codeFiend
        hmm.
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      • djce
        The "browse" pages are one of the few parts of the system that only really work with Latin stuff.
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      • codeFiend
        right.
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      • codeFiend
        *ponder*
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      • codeFiend
        well, let me try and do a test run with adding a cyrillic artist and then searching for it...
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      • djce
        ok
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      • codeFiend
        just a minute.
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      • djce
        I'd be interested to see how it goes...
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      • djce
        I know there's non-latin stuff in there, but I'm not sure what difficulties are likely to be encountered.
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      • codeFiend
        hmm.
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      • codeFiend
        well, adding it worked.
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      • codeFiend
        let's see if it turns up in search
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      • djce
        what's its URL?
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      • codeFiend
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      • codeFiend
        woot. it actually did.
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      • codeFiend
        color me surprised ;)
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      • djce
        Cool !
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      • codeFiend
        UTF-8 rocks ;)
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      • djce
        I'm fairly sure there are some texts where the "unaccent" thing is decidedly questionable.
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      • codeFiend
        hmm.
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      • djce
        Some scandinavian stuff, I think.
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      • djce
        But the whole idea of "unaccenting" sounds dodgy to me. It's inherently not locale-safe.
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      • codeFiend
        yeah.
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      • codeFiend
        definitely.
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      • codeFiend
        ok, well, now I'm wondering.
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      • djce
        But I'm glad the search works.
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      • codeFiend
        hmm.
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      • codeFiend
        gimme a minute here...
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      • codeFiend
        hmm... ok.
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      • codeFiend
        now I'm seeing a different problem with this, conceptually
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      • codeFiend
        I just added russian artist Aquarium, (in cyrillic) and put in a mod to merge the current listing into it... now, if an english-speaking person wants to find it, but they don't know how to spell it in cyrillic, are they going to be pretty much farked? perhaps a 'transliterated title' field should be added to the db?
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      • codeFiend
        or perhaps just adding an alias for the artist with the transliteration would be enough?
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      • djce
        It's an idea.
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      • djce
        aliases would work too.
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      • codeFiend
        hmm.
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      • djce
        In fact aliases are probably the better way to do it.
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      • codeFiend
        more generic, true.
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      • codeFiend
        hmm.
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      • codeFiend
        that works for artist names
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      • djce thinks that codeFiend "hmm"s and ponders a lot.
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      • djce
        :-)
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      • codeFiend shrugs