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verus
i just saw a comet
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verus
!
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verus
or a start falling
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JamesConf
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JamesConf
anyone mind helping me with a little config proble with trm?
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aeon_t
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aeon_t
hey all
2003-08-01 21330, 2003
5:17 AM
aeon_t
anyone know what "Failed dependency" error means on my failed moderations?
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djce
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djce
Hi aeon_t. Still there?
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6:25 AM
djce
Well anyway here's the answer to your question, you can read it when you get back.
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6:26 AM
djce
"Failed dependency" means that something to do with the data you were trying to change has itself changed since you entered the moderation.
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6:27 AM
djce
For example, let's say you change an artist name from "Bob" to "Bobby"
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6:27 AM
djce
If someone else changes the name to, say, "Robert" before your mod gets approved,
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6:27 AM
djce
then you'll get a Failed Dependency.
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6:28 AM
djce
This is because the system checks that the old data is still in place ("Bob") before changing it to its new value ("Bobby").
2003-08-01 21323, 2003
6:28 AM
djce
But in the example, it's not "Bob", it's "Robert". Hence the failure.
2003-08-01 21327, 2003
6:28 AM
djce
Hope that helps!
2003-08-01 21329, 2003
6:29 AM
djce
If you could tell us exactly which moderation you're interested in, we could probably give you a more precise reason.
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aeon_t
ah, I see.
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6:41 AM
aeon_t
thanks a lot.
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aeon_t is now known as aeon_sleep
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ruaok
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17:08 PM
ruaok
djce: evening!
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17:08 PM
djce
hi!
2003-08-01 21321, 2003
17:08 PM
ruaok
did you pick up the changes I checked in last night for libtp?
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17:08 PM
djce
Not yet.... let me go see.
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17:08 PM
ruaok
not important, I just wanted you to be aware.
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17:09 PM
djce
ah yes, new calls. ok.
2003-08-01 21348, 2003
17:09 PM
djce
how's the TP-tagger doing?
2003-08-01 21358, 2003
17:09 PM
djce
forming into shape?
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17:10 PM
ruaok
Coming along.
2003-08-01 21338, 2003
17:10 PM
ruaok
Its not too much work, really.
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17:10 PM
ruaok
All the hard stuff is being done by libtp.
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17:10 PM
djce
Good :-)
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17:10 PM
ruaok
Now its just UI, which is nice.
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17:10 PM
djce
wxPython, yes?
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17:11 PM
ruaok
oh, no.
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17:11 PM
djce
oh no, C first isn't it.
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17:11 PM
djce
I remember.
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17:11 PM
ruaok
Yes, its mb_tagger rehashed.
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17:11 PM
ruaok
I won't start on the python tagger until after BM.
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17:11 PM
djce
ok.
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17:12 PM
djce
I can imagine it feels pretty good to go through the mb_tagger and delete large swathes of now-ununsed code.
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17:12 PM
djce likes deleting code
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17:17 PM
ruaok
me too.
2003-08-01 21357, 2003
17:17 PM
ruaok
There is less satisfaction in deleting whole files.
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17:18 PM
djce
I like both.
2003-08-01 21315, 2003
17:18 PM
ruaok
That was the biggest case -- the code base is only 1/3 of the previous...
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17:18 PM
djce
:-)
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17:20 PM
djce
What is tp_SimilarityCheck? Is it a "do" method, or a set, or get, or what? I can't tell from the code.
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17:23 PM
ruaok
its an 'or what'.
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17:23 PM
ruaok
:-)
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17:23 PM
djce
oh, that's all right then :-)
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17:23 PM
ruaok
Given a threshold it checks to see if there are any matched files that are below that threshold.
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17:24 PM
djce
for all tracks?
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17:24 PM
ruaok
in order to pop up a warning for low matching files.
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17:24 PM
ruaok
All tracks that are recognized
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17:24 PM
djce
and that's the return value? if the popup should be shown?
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17:25 PM
ruaok
t/f
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17:25 PM
ruaok
yes
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17:29 PM
djce tries to think of a more helpful method name
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17:33 PM
ruaok
I'm open for suggestions...
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17:33 PM
djce
yeah, but I can't think of any!
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17:34 PM
djce
tp_AreAnyFilesBelowSimilarityThreshold :-(
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17:34 PM
djce
int tp_CountFilesBelowSimilarity ?
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17:45 PM
djce
Anyway, I've just committed the perl binding changes for the two new methods.
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ruaok
yeay!
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ruaok
ok, time to hit the road...
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ruaok
Talk to you.... probably sunday or monday...
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ruaok
l8!
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codeFiend
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21:32 PM
codeFiend
hmm, does anyone know what the internationalization plans for the database are?
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21:33 PM
djce
What sort of things do you have in mind?
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21:33 PM
codeFiend
well, for example artist names in non-latin charsets.
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21:33 PM
djce
That's already possible.
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21:33 PM
codeFiend
I tried searching for several russian artists in cyrillic - no luck.
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21:33 PM
djce
Certain parts of the system are either optimised for, or at least work best with, latin / English data though.
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21:34 PM
codeFiend
hmm.
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21:34 PM
djce
Are you sure it's in there?
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21:34 PM
djce
I mean, is it the search that's faulty?
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21:34 PM
codeFiend
no, I'm not sure. But if search can't turn it up, I can't verify that it exists.
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21:34 PM
djce
True.
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21:34 PM
codeFiend
and since the 'browse by alphabet' function is for latin alphabet only, I can't use that either.
2003-08-01 21358, 2003
21:34 PM
djce
Currently the search works like this:
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21:35 PM
djce
your search text is split into words, on non alphanumeric characters.
2003-08-01 21329, 2003
21:35 PM
djce
(so that should still work in Cyrillic).
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21:35 PM
codeFiend
I could try creating an artist in cyrillic and then doing a search for it... and seeing if that would turn it up.
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21:35 PM
djce
Then, the words are converted to lower case.
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21:35 PM
djce
which should also still work.
2003-08-01 21357, 2003
21:35 PM
djce
Then, it is "unaccented" - which might be the iffy part.
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21:36 PM
djce
Then it's matched against the artist names.
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21:36 PM
codeFiend
hmm.
2003-08-01 21327, 2003
21:36 PM
djce
The "browse" pages are one of the few parts of the system that only really work with Latin stuff.
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21:36 PM
codeFiend
right.
2003-08-01 21335, 2003
21:36 PM
codeFiend
*ponder*
2003-08-01 21353, 2003
21:36 PM
codeFiend
well, let me try and do a test run with adding a cyrillic artist and then searching for it...
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21:36 PM
djce
ok
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21:37 PM
codeFiend
just a minute.
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21:37 PM
djce
I'd be interested to see how it goes...
2003-08-01 21327, 2003
21:37 PM
djce
I know there's non-latin stuff in there, but I'm not sure what difficulties are likely to be encountered.
2003-08-01 21338, 2003
21:38 PM
codeFiend
hmm.
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21:38 PM
codeFiend
well, adding it worked.
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21:38 PM
codeFiend
let's see if it turns up in search
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21:38 PM
djce
what's its URL?
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21:39 PM
codeFiend
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21:39 PM
codeFiend
woot. it actually did.
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21:39 PM
codeFiend
color me surprised ;)
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21:39 PM
djce
Cool !
2003-08-01 21335, 2003
21:39 PM
codeFiend
UTF-8 rocks ;)
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21:39 PM
djce
I'm fairly sure there are some texts where the "unaccent" thing is decidedly questionable.
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21:39 PM
codeFiend
hmm.
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21:39 PM
djce
Some scandinavian stuff, I think.
2003-08-01 21314, 2003
21:40 PM
djce
But the whole idea of "unaccenting" sounds dodgy to me. It's inherently not locale-safe.
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21:40 PM
codeFiend
yeah.
2003-08-01 21330, 2003
21:40 PM
codeFiend
definitely.
2003-08-01 21341, 2003
21:40 PM
codeFiend
ok, well, now I'm wondering.
2003-08-01 21342, 2003
21:40 PM
djce
But I'm glad the search works.
2003-08-01 21352, 2003
21:41 PM
codeFiend
hmm.
2003-08-01 21354, 2003
21:41 PM
codeFiend
gimme a minute here...
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21:45 PM
codeFiend
hmm... ok.
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21:45 PM
codeFiend
now I'm seeing a different problem with this, conceptually
2003-08-01 21329, 2003
21:46 PM
codeFiend
I just added russian artist Aquarium, (in cyrillic) and put in a mod to merge the current listing into it... now, if an english-speaking person wants to find it, but they don't know how to spell it in cyrillic, are they going to be pretty much farked? perhaps a 'transliterated title' field should be added to the db?
2003-08-01 21356, 2003
21:46 PM
codeFiend
or perhaps just adding an alias for the artist with the transliteration would be enough?
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21:46 PM
djce
It's an idea.
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21:47 PM
djce
aliases would work too.
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21:47 PM
codeFiend
hmm.
2003-08-01 21312, 2003
21:47 PM
djce
In fact aliases are probably the better way to do it.
2003-08-01 21322, 2003
21:47 PM
codeFiend
more generic, true.
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21:47 PM
codeFiend
hmm.
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21:47 PM
codeFiend
that works for artist names
2003-08-01 21338, 2003
21:47 PM
djce thinks that codeFiend "hmm"s and ponders a lot.
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21:47 PM
djce
:-)
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21:47 PM
codeFiend shrugs