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      • djce
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        • 2003-08-01 21344, 2003

      • djce
        Hi aeon_t. Still there?

        • 2003-08-01 21355, 2003

      • djce
        Well anyway here's the answer to your question, you can read it when you get back.

        • 2003-08-01 21330, 2003

      • djce
        "Failed dependency" means that something to do with the data you were trying to change has itself changed since you entered the moderation.

        • 2003-08-01 21303, 2003

      • djce
        For example, let's say you change an artist name from "Bob" to "Bobby"

        • 2003-08-01 21324, 2003

      • djce
        If someone else changes the name to, say, "Robert" before your mod gets approved,

        • 2003-08-01 21332, 2003

      • djce
        then you'll get a Failed Dependency.

        • 2003-08-01 21301, 2003

      • djce
        This is because the system checks that the old data is still in place ("Bob") before changing it to its new value ("Bobby").

        • 2003-08-01 21323, 2003

      • djce
        But in the example, it's not "Bob", it's "Robert". Hence the failure.

        • 2003-08-01 21327, 2003

      • djce
        Hope that helps!

        • 2003-08-01 21329, 2003

      • djce
        If you could tell us exactly which moderation you're interested in, we could probably give you a more precise reason.

        • 2003-08-01 21351, 2003

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      • aeon_t
        ah, I see.

        • 2003-08-01 21313, 2003

      • aeon_t
        thanks a lot.

        • 2003-08-01 21318, 2003

      • aeon_t
        aeon_t is now known as aeon_sleep

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      • ruaok
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        • 2003-08-01 21308, 2003

      • ruaok
        djce: evening!

        • 2003-08-01 21314, 2003

      • djce
        hi!

        • 2003-08-01 21321, 2003

      • ruaok
        did you pick up the changes I checked in last night for libtp?

        • 2003-08-01 21334, 2003

      • djce
        Not yet.... let me go see.

        • 2003-08-01 21358, 2003

      • ruaok
        not important, I just wanted you to be aware.

        • 2003-08-01 21315, 2003

      • djce
        ah yes, new calls. ok.

        • 2003-08-01 21348, 2003

      • djce
        how's the TP-tagger doing?

        • 2003-08-01 21358, 2003

      • djce
        forming into shape?

        • 2003-08-01 21328, 2003

      • ruaok
        Coming along.

        • 2003-08-01 21338, 2003

      • ruaok
        Its not too much work, really.

        • 2003-08-01 21345, 2003

      • ruaok
        All the hard stuff is being done by libtp.

        • 2003-08-01 21352, 2003

      • djce
        Good :-)

        • 2003-08-01 21356, 2003

      • ruaok
        Now its just UI, which is nice.

        • 2003-08-01 21357, 2003

      • djce
        wxPython, yes?

        • 2003-08-01 21304, 2003

      • ruaok
        oh, no.

        • 2003-08-01 21305, 2003

      • djce
        oh no, C first isn't it.

        • 2003-08-01 21308, 2003

      • djce
        I remember.

        • 2003-08-01 21319, 2003

      • ruaok
        Yes, its mb_tagger rehashed.

        • 2003-08-01 21336, 2003

      • ruaok
        I won't start on the python tagger until after BM.

        • 2003-08-01 21345, 2003

      • djce
        ok.

        • 2003-08-01 21306, 2003

      • djce
        I can imagine it feels pretty good to go through the mb_tagger and delete large swathes of now-ununsed code.

        • 2003-08-01 21311, 2003

      • djce likes deleting code

        • 2003-08-01 21344, 2003

      • ruaok
        me too.

        • 2003-08-01 21357, 2003

      • ruaok
        There is less satisfaction in deleting whole files.

        • 2003-08-01 21308, 2003

      • djce
        I like both.

        • 2003-08-01 21315, 2003

      • ruaok
        That was the biggest case -- the code base is only 1/3 of the previous...

        • 2003-08-01 21324, 2003

      • djce
        :-)

        • 2003-08-01 21300, 2003

      • djce
        What is tp_SimilarityCheck? Is it a "do" method, or a set, or get, or what? I can't tell from the code.

        • 2003-08-01 21318, 2003

      • ruaok
        its an 'or what'.

        • 2003-08-01 21325, 2003

      • ruaok
        :-)

        • 2003-08-01 21343, 2003

      • djce
        oh, that's all right then :-)

        • 2003-08-01 21344, 2003

      • ruaok
        Given a threshold it checks to see if there are any matched files that are below that threshold.

        • 2003-08-01 21301, 2003

      • djce
        for all tracks?

        • 2003-08-01 21303, 2003

      • ruaok
        in order to pop up a warning for low matching files.

        • 2003-08-01 21311, 2003

      • ruaok
        All tracks that are recognized

        • 2003-08-01 21329, 2003

      • djce
        and that's the return value? if the popup should be shown?

        • 2003-08-01 21322, 2003

      • ruaok
        t/f

        • 2003-08-01 21324, 2003

      • ruaok
        yes

        • 2003-08-01 21306, 2003

      • djce tries to think of a more helpful method name

        • 2003-08-01 21331, 2003

      • ruaok
        I'm open for suggestions...

        • 2003-08-01 21346, 2003

      • djce
        yeah, but I can't think of any!

        • 2003-08-01 21305, 2003

      • djce
        tp_AreAnyFilesBelowSimilarityThreshold :-(

        • 2003-08-01 21327, 2003

      • djce
        int tp_CountFilesBelowSimilarity ?

        • 2003-08-01 21349, 2003

      • djce
        Anyway, I've just committed the perl binding changes for the two new methods.

        • 2003-08-01 21350, 2003

      • ruaok
        yeay!

        • 2003-08-01 21337, 2003

      • ruaok
        ok, time to hit the road...

        • 2003-08-01 21348, 2003

      • ruaok
        Talk to you.... probably sunday or monday...

        • 2003-08-01 21347, 2003

      • ruaok
        l8!

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      • djce is away: I'm busy

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      • codeFiend
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        • 2003-08-01 21354, 2003

      • codeFiend
        hmm, does anyone know what the internationalization plans for the database are?

        • 2003-08-01 21306, 2003

      • djce
        What sort of things do you have in mind?

        • 2003-08-01 21321, 2003

      • codeFiend
        well, for example artist names in non-latin charsets.

        • 2003-08-01 21328, 2003

      • djce
        That's already possible.

        • 2003-08-01 21355, 2003

      • codeFiend
        I tried searching for several russian artists in cyrillic - no luck.

        • 2003-08-01 21359, 2003

      • djce
        Certain parts of the system are either optimised for, or at least work best with, latin / English data though.

        • 2003-08-01 21313, 2003

      • codeFiend
        hmm.

        • 2003-08-01 21314, 2003

      • djce
        Are you sure it's in there?

        • 2003-08-01 21322, 2003

      • djce
        I mean, is it the search that's faulty?

        • 2003-08-01 21342, 2003

      • codeFiend
        no, I'm not sure. But if search can't turn it up, I can't verify that it exists.

        • 2003-08-01 21348, 2003

      • djce
        True.

        • 2003-08-01 21358, 2003

      • codeFiend
        and since the 'browse by alphabet' function is for latin alphabet only, I can't use that either.

        • 2003-08-01 21358, 2003

      • djce
        Currently the search works like this:

        • 2003-08-01 21319, 2003

      • djce
        your search text is split into words, on non alphanumeric characters.

        • 2003-08-01 21329, 2003

      • djce
        (so that should still work in Cyrillic).

        • 2003-08-01 21333, 2003

      • codeFiend
        I could try creating an artist in cyrillic and then doing a search for it... and seeing if that would turn it up.

        • 2003-08-01 21339, 2003

      • djce
        Then, the words are converted to lower case.

        • 2003-08-01 21345, 2003

      • djce
        which should also still work.

        • 2003-08-01 21357, 2003

      • djce
        Then, it is "unaccented" - which might be the iffy part.

        • 2003-08-01 21307, 2003

      • djce
        Then it's matched against the artist names.

        • 2003-08-01 21321, 2003

      • codeFiend
        hmm.

        • 2003-08-01 21327, 2003

      • djce
        The "browse" pages are one of the few parts of the system that only really work with Latin stuff.

        • 2003-08-01 21331, 2003

      • codeFiend
        right.

        • 2003-08-01 21335, 2003

      • codeFiend
        *ponder*

        • 2003-08-01 21353, 2003

      • codeFiend
        well, let me try and do a test run with adding a cyrillic artist and then searching for it...

        • 2003-08-01 21358, 2003

      • djce
        ok

        • 2003-08-01 21302, 2003

      • codeFiend
        just a minute.

        • 2003-08-01 21307, 2003

      • djce
        I'd be interested to see how it goes...

        • 2003-08-01 21327, 2003

      • djce
        I know there's non-latin stuff in there, but I'm not sure what difficulties are likely to be encountered.

        • 2003-08-01 21338, 2003

      • codeFiend
        hmm.

        • 2003-08-01 21340, 2003

      • codeFiend
        well, adding it worked.

        • 2003-08-01 21348, 2003

      • codeFiend
        let's see if it turns up in search

        • 2003-08-01 21358, 2003

      • djce
        what's its URL?

        • 2003-08-01 21304, 2003

      • codeFiend
        http://musicbrainz.org/showartist.html?artistid=1…

        • 2003-08-01 21309, 2003

      • codeFiend
        woot. it actually did.

        • 2003-08-01 21312, 2003

      • codeFiend
        color me surprised ;)

        • 2003-08-01 21316, 2003

      • djce
        Cool !

        • 2003-08-01 21335, 2003

      • codeFiend
        UTF-8 rocks ;)

        • 2003-08-01 21341, 2003

      • djce
        I'm fairly sure there are some texts where the "unaccent" thing is decidedly questionable.

        • 2003-08-01 21341, 2003

      • codeFiend
        hmm.

        • 2003-08-01 21351, 2003

      • djce
        Some scandinavian stuff, I think.

        • 2003-08-01 21314, 2003

      • djce
        But the whole idea of "unaccenting" sounds dodgy to me. It's inherently not locale-safe.

        • 2003-08-01 21327, 2003

      • codeFiend
        yeah.

        • 2003-08-01 21330, 2003

      • codeFiend
        definitely.

        • 2003-08-01 21341, 2003

      • codeFiend
        ok, well, now I'm wondering.

        • 2003-08-01 21342, 2003

      • djce
        But I'm glad the search works.

        • 2003-08-01 21352, 2003

      • codeFiend
        hmm.

        • 2003-08-01 21354, 2003

      • codeFiend
        gimme a minute here...

        • 2003-08-01 21303, 2003

      • codeFiend
        hmm... ok.

        • 2003-08-01 21310, 2003

      • codeFiend
        now I'm seeing a different problem with this, conceptually

        • 2003-08-01 21329, 2003

      • codeFiend
        I just added russian artist Aquarium, (in cyrillic) and put in a mod to merge the current listing into it... now, if an english-speaking person wants to find it, but they don't know how to spell it in cyrillic, are they going to be pretty much farked? perhaps a 'transliterated title' field should be added to the db?

        • 2003-08-01 21356, 2003

      • codeFiend
        or perhaps just adding an alias for the artist with the transliteration would be enough?

        • 2003-08-01 21358, 2003

      • djce
        It's an idea.

        • 2003-08-01 21303, 2003

      • djce
        aliases would work too.

        • 2003-08-01 21305, 2003

      • codeFiend
        hmm.

        • 2003-08-01 21312, 2003

      • djce
        In fact aliases are probably the better way to do it.

        • 2003-08-01 21322, 2003

      • codeFiend
        more generic, true.

        • 2003-08-01 21323, 2003

      • codeFiend
        hmm.

        • 2003-08-01 21336, 2003

      • codeFiend
        that works for artist names

        • 2003-08-01 21338, 2003

      • djce thinks that codeFiend "hmm"s and ponders a lot.

        • 2003-08-01 21342, 2003

      • djce
        :-)

        • 2003-08-01 21344, 2003

      • codeFiend shrugs

        • 2003-08-01 21349, 2003

      • codeFiend is a thoughtful kinda person ;)

        • 2003-08-01 21356, 2003

      • codeFiend
        what about album names though? can't have aliases for those

        • 2003-08-01 21305, 2003

      • djce
        maybe we should do.

        • 2003-08-01 21315, 2003

      • codeFiend
        and some albums come out with transliterated titles in english-speaking countries, but some come out with translated titles

        • 2003-08-01 21336, 2003

      • codeFiend
        so, a person might search for 'Sestra Kaos', or 'Sister Chaos', or '������ ����'

        • 2003-08-01 21351, 2003

      • codeFiend
        which should all match one album

        • 2003-08-01 21304, 2003

      • codeFiend
        there's no good way to handle that right now.

        • 2003-08-01 21310, 2003

      • djce
        I think that aliases would fit that quite well.

        • 2003-08-01 21328, 2003

      • djce
        Now on a related note, I've always wanted to add an "alias type" field.

        • 2003-08-01 21330, 2003

      • codeFiend
        same for song names then?

        • 2003-08-01 21341, 2003

      • codeFiend
        yeah, alias type would come in useful if we had all these.

        • 2003-08-01 21348, 2003

      • djce
        possibly. Why not? Most tracks won't have any aliases, so no big deal.

        • 2003-08-01 21306, 2003

      • codeFiend
        alias types: group pseudonym | translation | transliteration

        • 2003-08-01 21308, 2003

      • codeFiend
        something like that ;)

        • 2003-08-01 21310, 2003

      • djce
        yes, where the alias types might include: spelling mistake,

        • 2003-08-01 21315, 2003

      • djce
        yes, and what you said too :-)