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      • melange
        I've always heard bad things about musicmatch and tagging, so I've always avoided it
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      • Go186K
        Probably an issue with musicmatch. I've been using it to rip my CD's because it's easy. Maybe I should switch to another program,.
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      • melange
        I recommend CDex and LAME
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      • melange
        I think the encoder in MusicMatch is considered pretty crappy too, if I recall correctly
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      • Go186K
        Works on both win32 and linux?
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      • melange
        CDex is win32 only, I think, so yeah
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      • Go186K
        No problem. My linux box has been out of commission for almost a year.
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      • melange
        there might be better things out there now, it's been a while since I was a win32 person
      • 2004-01-01 00106, 2004

      • melange
        whats wrong with it?
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      • Go186K
        Wish I could say the same. My kids need win32 for games so our computers are mostly running XP.
      • 2004-01-01 00135, 2004

      • melange
        I have a ps2 for that :)
      • 2004-01-01 00141, 2004

      • Go186K
        :)
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      • melange
        with the occasional dual-boot into win98 for some games, that's fairly rare though
      • 2004-01-01 00121, 2004

      • Go186K
        As soon as I get my CD collection ripped I'm going to rebuild the linux box with new HW and run SAMBA.
      • 2004-01-01 00129, 2004

      • Go186K
        I'll check out CDex and LAME for the rest of my ripping. MusicMatch is beginning to be a headache.
      • 2004-01-01 00146, 2004

      • Go186K
        I need a library manager though.
      • 2004-01-01 00151, 2004

      • Go186K
        Too many files.
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      • melange
        do you know what encoder musicmatch uses? Blade? Xing? Fraunhofer?
      • 2004-01-01 00112, 2004

      • melange
        yeah, I know the feeling
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      • Go186K has quit
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      • melange
        between myself and my housemate, the mp3 collection is a mess, so many duplicates
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      • melange
        wb
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      • Go186K
        :)
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      • Go186K
        Maybe I should pay for MIRC?
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      • Go186K
        :)
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      • melange
        or use linux ;)
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      • Go186K
        heh. I think you're right. My conscience is getting to me.
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      • Go186K
        BTW, I live only about 20 miles from M$ HQ and lots of my friends work for them.
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      • melange
        ahh, so you're fraternising with the enemy then?
      • 2004-01-01 00147, 2004

      • melange
        :)
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      • Go186K
        :-)
      • 2004-01-01 00133, 2004

      • Go186K
        Gotta run. I'll check out CDex and LAME. Thanks for the suggestion.
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      • melange
        np
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      • melange
        happy new year
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      • melange has quit
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      • orogor_
        orogor_ is now known as orogor
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      • Knio
        Knio is now known as Knio-sleep
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      • melange
        anyone awake?
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      • melange
        hi djce
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      • djce
        mornin'
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      • djce
        Happy new year!
      • 2004-01-01 00145, 2004

      • melange
        :)
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      • melange
        same to you, although for me it was over 22 hours ago now :)
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      • djce
        Ah! OK, only 11 hrs here.
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      • djce
        GMT+11.... Eastern Oz?
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      • melange
        Yep, Melbourne
      • 2004-01-01 00123, 2004

      • melange
        You're UK or thereabouts?
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      • djce
        You asked about the timezones, right?
      • 2004-01-01 00128, 2004

      • djce
        uk, yes
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      • melange
        yes, that was me
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      • djce
        I did do something about that - I didn't forget!
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      • melange
        :)
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      • djce
        It was a bit "dirty" though, code-wise. It will get done, honest.
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      • melange
        I'm not terribly fussed, it's only a minor thing
      • 2004-01-01 00142, 2004

      • melange
        doesn't phase me, it was more of a "hey, that's not right, better tell someone" rather than a "everything is broken" thing :)
      • 2004-01-01 00159, 2004

      • djce
        sure. ok, duly noted :)
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      • melange
        I'm the same guy who put in the feature request for emailing on a "No" vote, btw
      • 2004-01-01 00142, 2004

      • melange
        I've been busy lately
      • 2004-01-01 00156, 2004

      • djce
        Ah... I get so confused with all these different nicknames, real names etc.
      • 2004-01-01 00117, 2004

      • djce
        That's why I decided to drop my old nickname and just go with my initials.
      • 2004-01-01 00143, 2004

      • melange
        yeah, that's probably not such a bad idea
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      • djce
        I have a very common firstname + lastname, but a very unusual set of initials.
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      • melange
        I'm not even going to hazard a guess
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      • melange
        :)
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      • yalaforge
        hi
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      • yalaforge
        just saw the message on the website, thanks!
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      • melange
        ?
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      • djce
        melange: the "happy new year" message on the web site was yalaforge's idea.
      • 2004-01-01 00143, 2004

      • melange
        ahh, now I see :)
      • 2004-01-01 00122, 2004

      • melange
        djce: are you still here?
      • 2004-01-01 00126, 2004

      • djce
        yes
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      • melange
        can you explain the trm lookup count value?
      • 2004-01-01 00146, 2004

      • djce
        sure
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      • djce
        every time the tagger, or some other app, calls the lookup-info-by-TRM-id function
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      • djce
        then the lookupcount for that TRM goes up by one
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      • melange
        ok
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      • melange
        so, if I find what looks to be a homebrew/bogus album, and the TRMs have only been hit, like, once, I can use that to back up my theory?
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      • melange
        and how can a trm have 0 lookups?
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      • djce
        sounds likely, yes. It could well mean that that album has only been tagged once or twice.
      • 2004-01-01 00143, 2004

      • melange
        (presuming the lookup count gets bumped when it's put into the database)
      • 2004-01-01 00152, 2004

      • djce
        When a TRM is first generated, it's count is zero.
      • 2004-01-01 00157, 2004

      • melange
        ok
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      • djce
        So after the first round of tagging, it's still zero.
      • 2004-01-01 00124, 2004

      • djce
        it only starts going up if you force an "analyze again" (?) on those files again
      • 2004-01-01 00136, 2004

      • melange
        right-o
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      • melange
        thanks, that helps a lot
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      • djce
        np
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      • djce is away: but will be back
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      • melange
        wb
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      • melange
        Hey, would you prefer me to put things like the "timezone" thing, and the "release sort order" issues I raised on the mailing list into the sourceforge tracker instead?
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      • djce
        yes please
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      • melange
        ok, will do
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      • ruaok blinks
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      • ruaok
        I should really be getting to bed -- the sun is coming up....
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      • ruaok
        nite'all
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      • ruaok
        and a happy new year to all!
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      • ruaok is away: sleep
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      • djce
        g'nite ruaok
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      • StupidMop
        Happy New Year everybody!!!
      • 2004-01-01 00115, 2004

      • melange
        hny StupidMop
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      • StupidMop
        :-)
      • 2004-01-01 00137, 2004

      • StupidMop
        first day of the new year, and I see all these nifty new things on MusicBrainz: Release Date, a stay logged in checkbox, whoa! :-D
      • 2004-01-01 00102, 2004

      • melange
        I thought of those as a late Christmas present :)
      • 2004-01-01 00156, 2004

      • StupidMop
        LOL! that works!
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      • StupidMop
        on this album http://musicbrainz.org/album/cf176073-45f9-4110-a… it seems like "Album, offical" is a pending change, but if you view album mods, you will see there is no pending changes. Why is it highlighted?
      • 2004-01-01 00123, 2004

      • melange
        taking a look
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      • melange
        I think I've seen that with another album as well
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      • melange
        just recently
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      • melange
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      • melange
        it came up under album mods for me
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      • StupidMop
        right. but that is closed. so it shouldn't highlight "Album, offical" as a pending change
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      • melange
        yeah, I just noticed that
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      • melange
        looks like a bug to me
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      • melange
        you should post a bug report on sourceforge
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      • StupidMop
        okay. I'll right it up. Just wanted to make sure it was a real bug, and not me being a spaz
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      • melange
        I don't suppose someone has come up with a command line tool for linux to calculate TRMs?
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      • melange
        failing that, a pointer to perl modules would be nice
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      • melange
        s'ok, I found SvanZoest's page
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      • djce
        wb yalaforge
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      • yalaforge
        djce: hi!
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      • melange
        hey
      • 2004-01-01 00128, 2004

      • melange
        I'm in need of some advice
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      • yalaforge
        what's up?
      • 2004-01-01 00151, 2004

      • melange
        I have an album that I'm 99.9% sure is a homebrew compilation
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      • melange
        I want to delete it, however there are quite a number or TRMs attached to it
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      • yalaforge
        what's the problem with it? I think it's no problem to have it in the database
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      • melange
        now, some years ago when Napster was still going, I downloaded all of the tracks on this album
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      • melange
        however, the tracks I got were bad quality, 128kbit, and were recorded *fast*, ie: a 4:28 song only taking 4:17, etc
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      • yalaforge
        so the TRMs are useless as well
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      • melange
        the TRMs on the bad quality mp3s match this album