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ruaok
morning/evening!
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djce
hey
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ruaok
another long weekend.
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ruaok
back to work finally.
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ruaok
tunepimp hacking :-)
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djce
ruaok: Can I check something with you?
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djce
I need someone to double-check my reasoning....
2004-03-01 06101, 2004
ruaok
shoot
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djce
ok, load up Discid.pm
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djce
and find _FindFreeDBEntry()
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ruaok
got it
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djce
I think I understand what it's doing, but the problem is in the two "update" statements in that routine.
2004-03-01 06156, 2004
djce
The two "updates" hit two different tables, using the same "id=$id" value.
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djce
but AFAICT the PKs of those tables don't match up - there's no reason why they would really.
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ruaok
I see your point.
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djce
or, to put it another way: you might /hope/ they match up, but they don't.
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ruaok
And I wonder if this code still gets called...
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djce
it's further up in this module, yes
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djce
but as to whether it actually /really/ gets invoked, I don't know.
2004-03-01 06123, 2004
ruaok
the idea is that if we import a partial freedb id, it would go and fill it out with the right leadout/id.
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ruaok
agreed.
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djce
I tried this: select count(*) from discid d, toc t where d.disc=t.discid and d.album!=t.album;
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djce
that gets 0 rows, which sounds good.
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djce
so I'm suspecting that the aforementioned bug has fortunately not bitten us.
2004-03-01 06141, 2004
djce
does that sound convincing?
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ruaok
not reassuring.
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ruaok
:-)
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ruaok
I guess the question is this: do we still import freedb data TOCs that are incomplete?
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ruaok
If not, then the updates can go away.
2004-03-01 06135, 2004
djce
yes, I think we do, for sure. don't we?
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ruaok
If so, we need to make the updates more robust.
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ruaok
I'm not sure anymore....
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djce
I'll give it a try.
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ruaok
ok
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djce tests it...
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soccos
I had an interesting chat with this guy on a chairlift over the weekend
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soccos
he was bitching over how his old company had to pay Gracenote license fees
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ruaok
ahahahahahah.
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soccos
they do a hard-drive MP3 car stereo thingy
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soccos
I forget their name, 'fat' something
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ruaok
phatnoise/phatbox.
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ruaok
I spoke to one of their engineers last weekend.
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soccos
that sounds right
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ruaok
passed on a bunch of my cards. :-)
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soccos
they got a cease and desist when they were looking to move elsewhere (freedby perhaps)
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ruaok
standard operating procedure.
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soccos
they caved in due to potential legal costs and conservative clients/backers(?)
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ruaok
no surprise.
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soccos
they're still one of Gracenote's bitches fttb
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soccos
what's the upcoming suit that Gracenote are in?
2004-03-01 06108, 2004
djce
ruaok: A "freedb import" sets the track durations, but doesn't touch the discid/toc tables.
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ruaok
ahh.
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ruaok
no wonder we haven't gotten bitten by that bug. :-)
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djce
so can that logic be removed completely for good? Or does it need to be fixed ?
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ruaok
lets nuke it.
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ruaok
I'm hoping to find someone who wants to work with us on CD lookup stuff.
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Maxxxxx
... dunno if this is related but importing from freedb is such a pain sometimes cos artist /tracks sometimes get imported other way round and to cut paste and fix name :P takes ages
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djce
ok, will do.
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ruaok
Someone who can help us pay for a patent lawyer to look at exactly what we need to do to circum vent GN's patents.
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ruaok
If they are willing to do that, then I'd we willing to revamp our id system to be GN safe.
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ruaok
Until that time, lets leave things be.
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soccos
I thought there was a case coming up that was going to test their patents?
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djce
Maxxxxx: there's a "swap" button to swap over the track/artist names. It should take that long.
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ruaok
There is, but I don't think its about the patent unfortunately.
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soccos
how many patents do they hold?
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ruaok
google: gracenote patents [i'm feeling lucky]
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soccos
that'll be 'more than one' then ;-)
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ruaok
bout a dozen or so.
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real
real is now known as real|afk
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soccos
can you be issued a patent if you buy the IP that was the prior art?
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ruaok
I would not think so.
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ruaok
*I* have written prior art code at CD Index.
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soccos
wasn't CDDB itself the prior art?
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ruaok
Our original CD Index code is prior art and was checked in befor they filed the patent.
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ruaok
that tool
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ruaok
it was public and therefore should be considered prior art.
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soccos
bizarre, they got a patent for which a large part of their application must have described the prior art that meant it sholdn't have been issued
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ruaok
yup./
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yalaforge
hi
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lgonze_
hey mattias
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lgonze_
how is your monday coming along?
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yalaforge
oh, I started with some exam preparations, but that's done
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lgonze_
nice
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yalaforge
I'm currently reading the mailing list
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lgonze_
lots of stuff there
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yalaforge
how's your still young monday?
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lgonze_
I went and did webjay evangelism to a netlabel
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lgonze_
got a really good reception, so I'm feeling good.
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lgonze_
...experimenting with explicit evangelism to try to get the ball rolling.
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lgonze_
webjay is still very immature and buggy, but there should have been more uptake than there has been.
