#musicbrainz

im so tired

i just want to nap

but i have to go to a housewarming party

i know, right, ill complain about *anything*

luks: still around? so I have my python app processing mp3s with tunepimp. But every now and then, e.g. after 40 files, it suddenly stops, I don't get any events. not even the eUnrecognized update... :-( but the files are okay, the next run it's fine

Sen, it's more entertaining than some of the other stuff in this channel... *cough*

waga!

hi again ruaok

hey.

we now have 8 machines racked.

wow :)

i want to see another photo :)

it's really disconcerting when I look in my cupboard and finds DVDs I don't remember buying

it's worse when there are *several* I don't remember buying!

fuchs: photos coming in a minute

yeeek. we're already just under our 3mbit allotment.

2.93mbits on the 95%

hmm, 4 DVDs that are rated U, 8 PG, 23 '15', 9 '18' and 22 with nothing on the spine...

Any success with your backups ruaok?

hi

hello donredman

hmm.

donredman: what age ratings do they have for films over there?

um, no idea really. Don't ask someone who has grown up without a telly

ah

hi don!

ruaok: I have just sent you a lengthy email because I thought I could not catch you on IRC

hi

spike`: we're thiiiiiiis close to getting ready to run those.

everyone: http://mayhem-chaos.net/photoblog/

piccys of MusicBrainz. I'll have to take a better shot of the front, its a bit blurry.

donredman: I'll go read mail now.

lol

you can't read the names on the servers :-(

I can!

oh, actually, spike` , I did run into a problem.

hefty, scooby, catbus, bender, blik?, stimpy, dexter, lingling

what was that siirrrr?

x-chat crashed on me before I had a chance to write down the password and login info. :-(

oh hell

i don't know them either

lol

hold on letme find a lot

tru: you there?

a log that is

donredman: yeah.

fuchs: hefty is our spare server for right now.

I like having spare machines.

I have sent a mail concerning Picard UI to ruak. If you pm me your email, I'll forward it to you

donredman: tru [at xmsm.org]

oop

donredman: tru [at xmms.org]

yea, long trip over the atlantic...

hehe.

lol

stupid spam tools delaying my mail

donredman: thanks. I will read it and ponder about it a bit later.

hello everyone

can someone cook up a query for me that would retrieve all the albums released in russia, ukrain, belarus, azerbaijan, uzbekistan, kazakhstan, kirghizstan, tajikistan, georgia, lithuania, estonia, latvia, and armenia before 1991?

tru: One main question there: Will a tree-like structured widget work with the new widges you want to use for Picard?

Sure.

yes, but I think we should avoid using tree controls.

why?

two reasons: complexity in programming and people just can't deal with them.

too complex for many people.

(at least that is the feedback I get)

thus my compromise -- three panes.

Well I think if they are used only to group tracks into albums and for nothing else, they are good

the three paned approach will have a listing of albums. one of the albums will be "all tracks"

and that lists tracks that were tagged and matched.

well. I agree with you both.

we could even make it optional to remove the album panel for those who ONLY want to see tracks.

and thus you get two panels.

mhm.

What I say in the mail is that a pane for albums is no good. There are people who do not care about albums

nechto13: gimme a few minutes

understood.

and those people can turn off the album panel.

jea but then the album panel should work like eg in winamp media library

maybe we should have a wizard at the beginning that asks the user if they want to be track or album oriented.

that means multiple selections

for album we show the third panel.

how do you show which tracks belong to one album?

"All tracks"

eh?

if the user chooses to be track centric, you don't show the album panel.

no I mean this:

and if the panel is shown, there will be one album listed "all tracks"

much like itunes does it.

if you select that album, the track listing below it will list all the tracks, regardless of which album they belong to

when I select one album the track pane will only show the relevant tracks, right?

yup

I don't like that

then turn off the album pane.

and see all the tracks.

no, what I mean is people load files into picard. These should not just disappear from view

they wont.

well, in the album view I guess they can.

yes they do if you select an album to work with it (liek look it up9

if you select an album, all the 'identified' tracks that are not part of that album are currently not visible.

nechto13: including or not including 1991?

but if everything is visible ALL the time, all you ever get is a track based tagger.

with no chance for an album based view.

which about half of the people want.

ruaok: you are using media library/iTunes logic and metaphors, but Picard is not a library it is a processor

that is not true

what is not true?

and yes, I am using those metaphors, because people understand them.

if you use the album groups as you do now (but not the rest of the tree functionality) the you can get an album based approach and still show everything

and if we have a tree control onthe right hand side, you can collapse an album and thus not see all the tracks.

that invalidates your argument.

But these metaphors are no good for the tagger. Look at the misunderstandings about what MMM does. MMM presents itself like a library but acts liek a processor (among others) and people don't get it.

nechto13: and do you want moldova and turkmenistan too? :)

my main objective is to get rid of the tree controls.

they suck for what we are doing.

so, I challenge you to come up with something that supports your model, but does not use tree controls.

tree controls suck in a very specific way

have you read my mail?

I scanned it.

which particular bit should I read carefully?

(its a long mail and my attention span is suffering)

nikki: including 1991 and i doubt that there will be anything in moldova and turkmenistan :), but i would like to see albums released there as well

from "One of the major problems with Picard is that..."

nikki: thanks

tagged *stuff* and whatever is in the pane depends on what the user does with it."

both single track tagging and album tagging. "

that is where I disagree.

the tree control sucks for that and confuses people.

hm

IMO the tree control sucks for moving stuff from one branch to the other *only*. It is good for grouping.

so, for a track based approach, why not have two lists. left pane and right pane. just lists.

but track people don't want grouping.

album people do.

you are forcing track people to group things by using the tree control.