#musicbrainz

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      • SenRepus
        im so tired
      • i just want to nap
      • but i have to go to a housewarming party
      • i know, right, ill complain about *anything*
      • erich
        luks: still around? so I have my python app processing mp3s with tunepimp. But every now and then, e.g. after 40 files, it suddenly stops, I don't get any events. not even the eUnrecognized update... :-( but the files are okay, the next run it's fine
      • mustaqila
        Sen, it's more entertaining than some of the other stuff in this channel... *cough*
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      • ruaok
        waga!
      • nikki_
        hi again ruaok
      • ruaok
        hey.
      • we now have 8 machines racked.
      • ruaok is proud
      • fuchs
        wow :)
      • i want to see another photo :)
      • nikki_ frowns
      • nikki_
        it's really disconcerting when I look in my cupboard and finds DVDs I don't remember buying
      • it's worse when there are *several* I don't remember buying!
      • ruaok
        fuchs: photos coming in a minute
      • Coeus has quit
      • yeeek. we're already just under our 3mbit allotment.
      • 2.93mbits on the 95%
      • nechto13 joined the channel
      • nikki_
        hmm, 4 DVDs that are rated U, 8 PG, 23 '15', 9 '18' and 22 with nothing on the spine...
      • nikki_ looks amused
      • spike`
        Any success with your backups ruaok?
      • donredman joined the channel
      • donredman
        hi
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      • spike`
        hello donredman
      • nikki_
        hmm.
      • donredman: what age ratings do they have for films over there?
      • donredman
        um, no idea really. Don't ask someone who has grown up without a telly
      • nikki_
        ah
      • donredman had really alternative 68 kind of parents
      • ruaok
        hi don!
      • donredman
        ruaok: I have just sent you a lengthy email because I thought I could not catch you on IRC
      • hi
      • ruaok
        spike`: we're thiiiiiiis close to getting ready to run those.
      • piccys of MusicBrainz. I'll have to take a better shot of the front, its a bit blurry.
      • donredman: I'll go read mail now.
      • spike`
        lol
      • donredman
        you can't read the names on the servers :-(
      • spike` Good deal, i just was wanted to check in and make sure that you didn't run into any problems
      • nikki_
        I can!
      • spike` can't read at all
      • ruaok
        oh, actually, spike` , I did run into a problem.
      • nikki_
        hefty, scooby, catbus, bender, blik?, stimpy, dexter, lingling
      • spike`
        what was that siirrrr?
      • ruaok
        x-chat crashed on me before I had a chance to write down the password and login info. :-(
      • spike`
        oh hell
      • i don't know them either
      • lol
      • hold on letme find a lot
      • donredman
        tru: you there?
      • spike`
        a log that is
      • tru
        donredman: yeah.
      • ruaok
        fuchs: hefty is our spare server for right now.
      • I like having spare machines.
      • donredman
        I have sent a mail concerning Picard UI to ruak. If you pm me your email, I'll forward it to you
      • tru
        donredman: tru [at xmsm.org]
      • oop
      • donredman: tru [at xmms.org]
      • ruaok waits for the mail to arrive
      • donredman
        yea, long trip over the atlantic...
      • tru
        hehe.
      • nikki_ wonders where this DVD is from...
      • spike` gives f'ruaok a piece of paper to write down login info
      • spike`
        lol
      • ruaok
        stupid spam tools delaying my mail
      • tru
        donredman: thanks. I will read it and ponder about it a bit later.
      • nechto13
        hello everyone
      • can someone cook up a query for me that would retrieve all the albums released in russia, ukrain, belarus, azerbaijan, uzbekistan, kazakhstan, kirghizstan, tajikistan, georgia, lithuania, estonia, latvia, and armenia before 1991?
      • donredman
        tru: One main question there: Will a tree-like structured widget work with the new widges you want to use for Picard?
      • tru
        Sure.
      • ruaok
        yes, but I think we should avoid using tree controls.
      • donredman
        why?
      • ruaok
        two reasons: complexity in programming and people just can't deal with them.
      • too complex for many people.
      • (at least that is the feedback I get)
      • nechto13 agrees with ruoak
      • thus my compromise -- three panes.
      • donredman
        Well I think if they are used only to group tracks into albums and for nothing else, they are good
      • ruaok
        the three paned approach will have a listing of albums. one of the albums will be "all tracks"
      • and that lists tracks that were tagged and matched.
      • tru
        well. I agree with you both.
      • ruaok
        we could even make it optional to remove the album panel for those who ONLY want to see tracks.
      • and thus you get two panels.
      • tru
        mhm.
      • donredman
        What I say in the mail is that a pane for albums is no good. There are people who do not care about albums
      • nikki_
        nechto13: gimme a few minutes
      • ruaok
        understood.
      • and those people can turn off the album panel.
      • donredman
        jea but then the album panel should work like eg in winamp media library
      • ruaok
        maybe we should have a wizard at the beginning that asks the user if they want to be track or album oriented.
      • donredman
        that means multiple selections
      • ruaok
        for album we show the third panel.
      • donredman
        how do you show which tracks belong to one album?
      • ruaok
        "All tracks"
      • donredman
        eh?
      • ruaok
        if the user chooses to be track centric, you don't show the album panel.
      • donredman
        no I mean this:
      • ruaok
        and if the panel is shown, there will be one album listed "all tracks"
      • much like itunes does it.
      • donredman got it
      • if you select that album, the track listing below it will list all the tracks, regardless of which album they belong to
      • donredman
        when I select one album the track pane will only show the relevant tracks, right?
      • ruaok
        yup
      • donredman
        I don't like that
      • ruaok
        then turn off the album pane.
      • and see all the tracks.
      • donredman
        no, what I mean is people load files into picard. These should not just disappear from view
      • ruaok
        they wont.
      • well, in the album view I guess they can.
      • donredman
        yes they do if you select an album to work with it (liek look it up9
      • ruaok
        if you select an album, all the 'identified' tracks that are not part of that album are currently not visible.
      • nikki_
        nechto13: including or not including 1991?
      • ruaok
        but if everything is visible ALL the time, all you ever get is a track based tagger.
      • with no chance for an album based view.
      • which about half of the people want.
      • donredman
        ruaok: you are using media library/iTunes logic and metaphors, but Picard is not a library it is a processor
      • that is not true
      • ruaok
        what is not true?
      • and yes, I am using those metaphors, because people understand them.
      • donredman
        if you use the album groups as you do now (but not the rest of the tree functionality) the you can get an album based approach and still show everything
      • ruaok
        and if we have a tree control onthe right hand side, you can collapse an album and thus not see all the tracks.
      • that invalidates your argument.
      • donredman
        But these metaphors are no good for the tagger. Look at the misunderstandings about what MMM does. MMM presents itself like a library but acts liek a processor (among others) and people don't get it.
      • nikki_
        nechto13: and do you want moldova and turkmenistan too? :)
      • ruaok
        my main objective is to get rid of the tree controls.
      • they suck for what we are doing.
      • so, I challenge you to come up with something that supports your model, but does not use tree controls.
      • donredman
        tree controls suck in a very specific way
      • have you read my mail?
      • ruaok
        I scanned it.
      • which particular bit should I read carefully?
      • (its a long mail and my attention span is suffering)
      • nechto13
        nikki: including 1991 and i doubt that there will be anything in moldova and turkmenistan :), but i would like to see albums released there as well
      • donredman
        from "One of the major problems with Picard is that..."
      • nechto13
        nikki: thanks
      • donredman
        tagged *stuff* and whatever is in the pane depends on what the user does with it."
      • ruaok
        both single track tagging and album tagging. "
      • that is where I disagree.
      • the tree control sucks for that and confuses people.
      • tru
        hm
      • donredman
        IMO the tree control sucks for moving stuff from one branch to the other *only*. It is good for grouping.
      • ruaok
        so, for a track based approach, why not have two lists. left pane and right pane. just lists.
      • but track people don't want grouping.
      • album people do.
      • you are forcing track people to group things by using the tree control.