luks: still around? so I have my python app processing mp3s with tunepimp. But every now and then, e.g. after 40 files, it suddenly stops, I don't get any events. not even the eUnrecognized update... :-( but the files are okay, the next run it's fine
2006-04-01 09103, 2006
mustaqila
Sen, it's more entertaining than some of the other stuff in this channel... *cough*
2006-04-01 09105, 2006
ruaok joined the channel
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ruaok
waga!
2006-04-01 09112, 2006
nikki_
hi again ruaok
2006-04-01 09116, 2006
ruaok
hey.
2006-04-01 09126, 2006
ruaok
we now have 8 machines racked.
2006-04-01 09128, 2006
ruaok is proud
2006-04-01 09144, 2006
fuchs
wow :)
2006-04-01 09114, 2006
fuchs
i want to see another photo :)
2006-04-01 09116, 2006
nikki_ frowns
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nikki_
it's really disconcerting when I look in my cupboard and finds DVDs I don't remember buying
2006-04-01 09154, 2006
nikki_
it's worse when there are *several* I don't remember buying!
2006-04-01 09156, 2006
ruaok
fuchs: photos coming in a minute
2006-04-01 09145, 2006
Coeus has quit
2006-04-01 09100, 2006
ruaok
yeeek. we're already just under our 3mbit allotment.
2006-04-01 09110, 2006
ruaok
2.93mbits on the 95%
2006-04-01 09152, 2006
nechto13 joined the channel
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nikki_
hmm, 4 DVDs that are rated U, 8 PG, 23 '15', 9 '18' and 22 with nothing on the spine...
2006-04-01 09122, 2006
nikki_ looks amused
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spike`
Any success with your backups ruaok?
2006-04-01 09150, 2006
donredman joined the channel
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donredman
hi
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oqp has quit
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spike`
hello donredman
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nikki_
hmm.
2006-04-01 09139, 2006
nikki_
donredman: what age ratings do they have for films over there?
2006-04-01 09105, 2006
donredman
um, no idea really. Don't ask someone who has grown up without a telly
2006-04-01 09111, 2006
nikki_
ah
2006-04-01 09132, 2006
donredman had really alternative 68 kind of parents
2006-04-01 09109, 2006
ruaok
hi don!
2006-04-01 09115, 2006
donredman
ruaok: I have just sent you a lengthy email because I thought I could not catch you on IRC
2006-04-01 09118, 2006
donredman
hi
2006-04-01 09125, 2006
ruaok
spike`: we're thiiiiiiis close to getting ready to run those.
spike` gives f'ruaok a piece of paper to write down login info
2006-04-01 09102, 2006
spike`
lol
2006-04-01 09148, 2006
ruaok
stupid spam tools delaying my mail
2006-04-01 09142, 2006
tru
donredman: thanks. I will read it and ponder about it a bit later.
2006-04-01 09145, 2006
nechto13
hello everyone
2006-04-01 09147, 2006
nechto13
can someone cook up a query for me that would retrieve all the albums released in russia, ukrain, belarus, azerbaijan, uzbekistan, kazakhstan, kirghizstan, tajikistan, georgia, lithuania, estonia, latvia, and armenia before 1991?
2006-04-01 09149, 2006
donredman
tru: One main question there: Will a tree-like structured widget work with the new widges you want to use for Picard?
2006-04-01 09105, 2006
tru
Sure.
2006-04-01 09124, 2006
ruaok
yes, but I think we should avoid using tree controls.
2006-04-01 09133, 2006
donredman
why?
2006-04-01 09142, 2006
ruaok
two reasons: complexity in programming and people just can't deal with them.
2006-04-01 09146, 2006
ruaok
too complex for many people.
2006-04-01 09157, 2006
ruaok
(at least that is the feedback I get)
2006-04-01 09111, 2006
nechto13 agrees with ruoak
2006-04-01 09117, 2006
ruaok
thus my compromise -- three panes.
2006-04-01 09125, 2006
donredman
Well I think if they are used only to group tracks into albums and for nothing else, they are good
2006-04-01 09142, 2006
ruaok
the three paned approach will have a listing of albums. one of the albums will be "all tracks"
2006-04-01 09152, 2006
ruaok
and that lists tracks that were tagged and matched.
2006-04-01 09157, 2006
tru
well. I agree with you both.
2006-04-01 09110, 2006
ruaok
we could even make it optional to remove the album panel for those who ONLY want to see tracks.
2006-04-01 09115, 2006
ruaok
and thus you get two panels.
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tru
mhm.
2006-04-01 09125, 2006
donredman
What I say in the mail is that a pane for albums is no good. There are people who do not care about albums
2006-04-01 09130, 2006
nikki_
nechto13: gimme a few minutes
2006-04-01 09143, 2006
ruaok
understood.
2006-04-01 09151, 2006
ruaok
and those people can turn off the album panel.
2006-04-01 09116, 2006
donredman
jea but then the album panel should work like eg in winamp media library
2006-04-01 09122, 2006
ruaok
maybe we should have a wizard at the beginning that asks the user if they want to be track or album oriented.
2006-04-01 09125, 2006
donredman
that means multiple selections
2006-04-01 09127, 2006
ruaok
for album we show the third panel.
2006-04-01 09144, 2006
donredman
how do you show which tracks belong to one album?
2006-04-01 09151, 2006
ruaok
"All tracks"
2006-04-01 09101, 2006
donredman
eh?
2006-04-01 09112, 2006
ruaok
if the user chooses to be track centric, you don't show the album panel.
2006-04-01 09123, 2006
donredman
no I mean this:
2006-04-01 09126, 2006
ruaok
and if the panel is shown, there will be one album listed "all tracks"
2006-04-01 09132, 2006
ruaok
much like itunes does it.
2006-04-01 09143, 2006
donredman got it
2006-04-01 09152, 2006
ruaok
if you select that album, the track listing below it will list all the tracks, regardless of which album they belong to
2006-04-01 09107, 2006
donredman
when I select one album the track pane will only show the relevant tracks, right?
2006-04-01 09112, 2006
ruaok
yup
2006-04-01 09119, 2006
donredman
I don't like that
2006-04-01 09136, 2006
ruaok
then turn off the album pane.
2006-04-01 09142, 2006
ruaok
and see all the tracks.
2006-04-01 09105, 2006
donredman
no, what I mean is people load files into picard. These should not just disappear from view
2006-04-01 09116, 2006
ruaok
they wont.
2006-04-01 09138, 2006
ruaok
well, in the album view I guess they can.
2006-04-01 09151, 2006
donredman
yes they do if you select an album to work with it (liek look it up9
2006-04-01 09101, 2006
ruaok
if you select an album, all the 'identified' tracks that are not part of that album are currently not visible.
2006-04-01 09106, 2006
nikki_
nechto13: including or not including 1991?
2006-04-01 09125, 2006
ruaok
but if everything is visible ALL the time, all you ever get is a track based tagger.
2006-04-01 09135, 2006
ruaok
with no chance for an album based view.
2006-04-01 09146, 2006
ruaok
which about half of the people want.
2006-04-01 09151, 2006
donredman
ruaok: you are using media library/iTunes logic and metaphors, but Picard is not a library it is a processor
2006-04-01 09104, 2006
donredman
that is not true
2006-04-01 09119, 2006
ruaok
what is not true?
2006-04-01 09141, 2006
ruaok
and yes, I am using those metaphors, because people understand them.
2006-04-01 09155, 2006
donredman
if you use the album groups as you do now (but not the rest of the tree functionality) the you can get an album based approach and still show everything
2006-04-01 09116, 2006
ruaok
and if we have a tree control onthe right hand side, you can collapse an album and thus not see all the tracks.
2006-04-01 09121, 2006
ruaok
that invalidates your argument.
2006-04-01 09156, 2006
donredman
But these metaphors are no good for the tagger. Look at the misunderstandings about what MMM does. MMM presents itself like a library but acts liek a processor (among others) and people don't get it.
2006-04-01 09156, 2006
nikki_
nechto13: and do you want moldova and turkmenistan too? :)
2006-04-01 09136, 2006
ruaok
my main objective is to get rid of the tree controls.
2006-04-01 09142, 2006
ruaok
they suck for what we are doing.
2006-04-01 09159, 2006
ruaok
so, I challenge you to come up with something that supports your model, but does not use tree controls.
2006-04-01 09110, 2006
donredman
tree controls suck in a very specific way
2006-04-01 09116, 2006
donredman
have you read my mail?
2006-04-01 09123, 2006
ruaok
I scanned it.
2006-04-01 09130, 2006
ruaok
which particular bit should I read carefully?
2006-04-01 09141, 2006
ruaok
(its a long mail and my attention span is suffering)
2006-04-01 09153, 2006
nechto13
nikki: including 1991 and i doubt that there will be anything in moldova and turkmenistan :), but i would like to see albums released there as well
2006-04-01 09103, 2006
donredman
from "One of the major problems with Picard is that..."
2006-04-01 09108, 2006
nechto13
nikki: thanks
2006-04-01 09139, 2006
donredman
tagged *stuff* and whatever is in the pane depends on what the user does with it."
2006-04-01 09124, 2006
ruaok
both single track tagging and album tagging. "
2006-04-01 09131, 2006
ruaok
that is where I disagree.
2006-04-01 09137, 2006
ruaok
the tree control sucks for that and confuses people.
2006-04-01 09112, 2006
tru
hm
2006-04-01 09115, 2006
donredman
IMO the tree control sucks for moving stuff from one branch to the other *only*. It is good for grouping.
2006-04-01 09115, 2006
ruaok
so, for a track based approach, why not have two lists. left pane and right pane. just lists.
2006-04-01 09128, 2006
ruaok
but track people don't want grouping.
2006-04-01 09131, 2006
ruaok
album people do.
2006-04-01 09143, 2006
ruaok
you are forcing track people to group things by using the tree control.
