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you might be interested in Japanese sign language

it does not use alphabet

there are 52 alphabets in Japanese

hmm...

Mmm, significant difference.

http://musicbrainz.org/album/b950608f-edbb-401a... btw nikki, speaking of earlier, can you denote that to a single language?

does it have signs for each of the syllables that hiragana/katakana have?

each word is symbolyzed

like weather is this.... as such

ah

we do that in bsl too, but we can spell things too

ruaok: ping?

yes JSL does that too but mainly symbols

TV is just the letters T and V, father is FF (two 'F's because father has two syllables)

on phone

how would you signify your own name without an alphabet pjo?

MM is mother, and MF is parents :)

Nyght: in bsl, people end up with sign names

and mother for asl is the action of holding a baby.. iirc

is anyone else getting errors from picard (or maybe libofa) about a "not well-formed token" when analyzing a song with a "&" character?

mine was a spiral down the side of my head because my hair was so curly :)

Nyght: here that means baby :)

nikki, but would that relate if your mom was signing to her friend?

that's where signing for names seems to falter

hmm

I don't know

I prefer to spell my name anyway

it's easy enough, n i k k i!

where as with an alphabet, you can say "p,a,u,l" and then eventually when "paul" comes around, you then would put the equation together.

yup

that's why "no alphabet" is confusing to me in that sense.

and nikki, your "sign" is girl in asl

boy is reaching to an imaginary cap

girl is stroking your index down from your cheek to your chin

woman is from your ear to your chin

That's bizarre.

What's boy, nikki_?

I recall that too.. okay, it may be too long for to fully recall.

I can't remember boy, but man is outline a little beard with your thumb and index finger

I was trying to recall exactly what that was in fact

a bit bigger beard is brown and a biiiig beard is santa :)

yes!

Man makes sense. I don't get girl/woman though.

santa is the same at least.

slaad: I have noooo idea :)

Unless it's meant to represent a feminine jawline or something?

it is for the blush

slaad

possibly

I guess that could make sense.

Right. Time to get my study on.

lol best of time with study.. better you than me. ;)

http://syuwa-niji.hp.infoseek.co.jp/yubi.html ooh, I found something

the signs remind me of asl

Nyght: the first row is a i u e o, is that the same as asl?

yes

the first row is a i u e o

I can't remember the asl alphabet very well though

ruaok: when you will have some free time, please check the apache settings for svn.mb.org. something seems to be broken/misconfigured

E:\MusicBrainz\picard-0.7.0-beta3>svn co http://svn.musicbrainz.org/libtunepimp/trunk libtp

svn: REPORT request failed on '/!svn/vcc/default'

svn: REPORT of '/!svn/vcc/default': 400 Bad Request (http://svn.musicbrainz.org)

night!

JSL is called shuwa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Sign_Lang...

I recognise ka, ya and wa as k, y and w from asl too

hmm, isn't shuwa any sign language?

shuwa is sign language

20 Zlatih Založbe Mandarine anyone recognise that language?

something slavic

google says slovene

thanks

nikki, best answer I can give. ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Sign_Lang...

ah yeah!

ah, and ha is the same as h...

ra and r...

but there are many symbolized sequences in JSL too, because it is slow to spell a word, each word has too many alphabets

sa and s...

re and l...

I think that's it

and my information is sadly outdated

http://www.deafblind.com/alphabet.gif bsl!

Do you know why they are so vastly different?

I can see some of it.

hmm

I think asl came from france

maybe because it's an older language than asl.. and it's a lot closer to what someone would "think" of to try and form them, where as asl is more abbreviated much like our slang is

Yeah, ASL was from France.

Mmm,, that's a curiosity, I have no idea where that alphabet would be though

Well, the founder of sign language in America was from France.

slaad, I understood. ;)

it makes sense, asl uses the same alphabet as europe

why on earth the uk uses a different one to the rest of europe is beyond me

and I assume the brits took their sign language to australia and new zealand

LOL because they must be stodgy. ;)

British Imperialism? :)

probably

nikki, sorry, it's more of a dig at "us" than anything.

wikipedia says: The sign languages used in Australia and New Zealand, Auslan and New Zealand Sign Language, evolved largely from 19th Century BSL, and all retain the same manual alphabet, grammar, and similar lexicon.

from my side at least

uh oh.. guess I can't move to NZ after all. ;)

I'll have to learn an entire new set of sign.

I found this really cool.. and as well realized how out of date my asl learning is. :( I didn't realize that http://commtechlab.msu.edu/sites/aslweb/browser...

and I apologize for misleading earlier. I'll be studying anew for the changes

heehee

in the case of the sentence "I was late to class last night because my boss handed me a huge stack of work after lunch yesterday," one would sign "YESTERDAY LUNCH FINISH, BOSS GIVE-ME WORK BIG-STACK, NIGHT CLASS LATE-ME."

That hurts my head to parse.

nikki, shep, ruaok, give me the names of the biggest community supporters please?

back again

wb Joan

just catching up on chat whilst I have been away

or anyone else I didn't just ping, that knows, or feels someone should stand out in a quick blog post?

Does the blog support HTML?

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