#musicbrainz

hmm å være midt is smørøyet"

bah. google won't translate into norwegian.

G'day mo.

is anyone around today?

me

so I've got a quick question about the musicbrainz web services.

I'm wondering if there is a way for me to make a query to the web services so that I can browse by artists...instead of specifying an artist name.

like all artists that start with a

or something like that

I imagine only if you're on broadband and patient... from what I've read, anyway...

I've got a massive connection

and this would only be for an initial hibernate load for the application I'm building

but I can't configure the new REST web service to pull back a collection of artists, without specific parameters...

the service is very cool though as it is

I'm just working on re-indexing with lucene to support fuzzy matching on the artists for those that can't speel so good :-)

ironic no? speel -> spell

johnnyb: depending on what you are doing, it might be better to pull the database backups from the ftp server and import them into postgresql

yeah thats what I was thinking as well

it only takes my slowish computer a couple of hours to do :P

I just want to be able to keep up to date automatically, without manually having to download the latest backup

replication! :D

before I found musicbrainz, I was working with freedb, and had it converted to a postgres db, normalized and what not, but some of the data was just garbage.

only some? :)

well theres a lot of good data, but you've got green day in there spelled like 4+ different way

uppercase, lowercase, etc

both inhouseuk and I have working replicated servers set up, if you need any help with that

just follow the instructions and you can't really go wrong

I was looking into that, but the problem is, I don't need the whole server

just the data

I guess I could just restore the postgres data

but then I don't get all of the built in indexing and web services, and what not.

so if the server is replicated, could it autoupdate out of the master server?

you don't need to run the http service if you don't want to

yes, replication is built into the code

it'll pull hourly update packets from the main server and apply them to the local db

ahh gotcha, well maybe I'll run that on a standalone server, and interface the server data directly via postgres on the replicated server for the new lucene indexes.

hmmm

that was a bit confusing on my part.

I have a serious issue with this dumb album http://musicbrainz.org/album/913777d4-5efd-4fae...

I need to remove the old coverart (because its wrong) but I can't find the versino on any amazon

I searched .uk .jp .com and even .de

I used to run just a replicated database without ever installing the server when I first started

I know someone had a thingy to remove those

add a bogus one then remove?

mo yes

okay, so I can run just the database, replicated, and it will pull updates from the master server?

and I won't need all of the other parts of the server, like web services, etc.?

will adding one as a non automod and then cancellign the mod work too?

yes mo

wow, thanks a bunc inhouse

"look at yourself" has way to many cover versions http://uriahheep.pp.fi/search2/look3.htm

johnnyb: yes, that is quite easy. install the server code, but only run the replication stuff. The documentation is reasonable, but if you get stuck give nikki or myself a prod

okay very cool, I appreciate the help, and I'm sure I'll be back.

do you know if anyone has had any experience using lucene with the musicbrainz dataset? outside of the already created python indexes in the server code?

not that I'm aware of

the code that is used for interfacing lucene to the db is in the repository http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/browser/lucene_index and http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/browser/lucene_server

that would be a good starting point

yay it worked, thank you inhouse!

and with that. I got to bed

natta all

G'night mo.

sleep well mo

hmmmph.

"theme from mash (suicide is painless)" and "suicide is painless (theme from mash)" by the manics is really annoying me

they use both on covers and I want to be consistent :/

nikki: I'd go for "Suicide is painless (theme from M.A.S.H.)" personally.

The name is Suicide is Painless

yeah

It's become known as "the theme from M.A.S.H.")

the annoying thing is that the single used the other one

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000006V83.01... like so

That is a cover, I can see them not realize the proper name

but then their greatest hits wrote it the other way

nyght: ascap or bmi is your friend :)

LOL I should look it up, but I know a decent amount about that one already. ;)

Music by Johnny Mandel Lyrics By Mike Altman

and it annoys me very much that I never did get to see the very last episode of M.A.S.H.

i'd also check composer/arranger credits in imdb for both the movie and TV series, because IIRC the movie amd TV series had slightly diffrent music

And, by "that is a cover" I wasn't meaning, that's a picture of the cover nikki, I was meaning that's a cover of the initial song. I could see where they wouldn't be positive of the name.

Joan: even with the number of times the series has be re-aired?

even then - I always seem to miss the last episode

suicide is painless was a popular song before M.A.S.H. became popular, they chose it because the words seemed to be apropos. (I'll see if I can dig the information up again. I did a pretty little bit of research on it already>)(

Joan: bugger.

big bugger - I followed that series religiously

long silence while everybody reads the wikipedia page

johnny mandel is a rather famous jazz composer, in addition to hi sfilb/YV work ")

It does fit the film and tv series very well though

*his film /TV work. he also wrote "The shadow of your smile" among others

I could be wrong about it being picked for the show.. but, that was a tidbit from mash heads.. I mean, these people even had the vodka IV drip and were religious like Joan sounds like she was.

I was - but I have still missed the last episode too many times now - I am fated not to see it

Yllona - I didn't know he wrote The Shadow of Your Smile - I love Frank Sinatra singing that

I would have to research the musical creator and see when he did it, but the story went that it was more of a carry over from "the day" and they adapted it for the show because of that. (the true mashhead would know best., it was covered on a bonus dvd like thing in the collectors VHS as I recall.)

this was of course, before DVD

johnny mandel had reached legendary status long before MASH. he did composing/arranging for Ella & sinatra, worked with Basie, etc

Having said that, I liked most of everything Sinatra did

Right, and once more, it would more be "when" he did it that would cement if it was created for the show, or if it was carry over

I was just googling and came across that page - came back to put a link and you had got there before me - too late at night and I am slowing down

funny it's registered in ASCAP as MASH cues and MASH selections. me thinks it was written for the film

Ah, this explains my "confusion" http://www.ascap.com/about/board/mandel-bio.html

one of the more successful film themes then - everybody recognises it

administered under warner bros. which makes sense

yllona, same as IMDB (it was him that had gone into the military, had his music degree from the military etc.. went on to Balliard. I just twisted it about a bit. :D )

Military academy

I was young back then.. say military, it's military to me. :)

After graduating from New York Military Academy, where he had received a band scholarship, he immediately went on the road working in the Catskill Mountains at various resort hotels. He then joined the orchestra of the truly legendary violinist Joe Venuti. As a member of the Henry Jerome Orchestra at Child's Paramount Restaurant in Times Square during 1945, his bandmates included two saxophonists, Leonard Garment and Alan Greenspan, who

lost you mid sentence beth

anyhooo.. now the original question has long been left. ;) and I've figured out where I got led awry

Eh, it was just the first that was important Joan, it was from the ascap link I had put up there, about Mandel having gone into a military academy and graduating.

he seems to have worked with just about everybody important in the music industry

at one time or another

I never was in to M.A.S.H. but my best friends parents were, they were old military and I was something like 13 when I was hanging around them.. so, when we watched the videos about it, and I heard the military academy line.... I just immediately tossed it into "real time" especially with their son having

just gotten back from his own military duty and such... young, impressional and very off due to that on my part/ ;)

so I was digging to find out where my misinterpretation had come in.. because what I was seeing said in fact it was my mistake. :D

bwaha! I found a bar of chocolate on the floor.

being messy has its advantages! :)

LOL nikki~!

I just had a jam (jelly) doughnut and a cup of tea nikki

As long as your floor saw the light of day within the last month. :D

as long as the chocolate was still wrapped

I keep that corner over there nice and tidy!

it was :)

the doughnut was so full of jam I had to hold a napkin under it to make sure it did not "splodge"

Sploodge! She uses that term?

I'm not very familiar with doughnuts, I had one once and was promptly sick :/

splodge - in yorkshire means to ooze out and drop on your sweater or something like that

okay beth - what does splodge mean in the USA

it's too close to our spooge

?

and it's like having a school marm suddenly burp or something. Very heart warming. :D

I like all sorts of doughnuts, but particularly ones filled with raspberry jam

or apple puree

raspberry jam donuts are the bomb, but I prefer what hostess has done with theirs. They aren't as messy in the slightest.. and still very tasty