#musicbrainz

anybody here who knows how to use classical style?

time for a nap, goodnight

dseomn: i've certainly put in enough albums with it

what dsomn?

flamingcow, nightgroove: I have http://musicbrainz.org/release/c55810d8-7f31-4a... and the other 4 volumes

but I need some style help

should Op. and the key go in the order on the style page (key then op) or the order on the cd?

order on the stylepage i'd say

still that order?

hmm

give me an example of the two different orders. its alte and brain is siurupy and needs it with a teaspoon

the above album and http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/ClassicalStyleGuide under "Catalogue: number and opus"

I'm also confused by some of the punctuation after the roman numerals

and why there are roman numerals in the first place

dseomn: so, this is one of those funny classical things

the No. thing

because "Symphony No. 4" is an object

those are movement thingies and are very important

but you can also have section numbers inside works

which that "No. " isn't

nightgroove: they're not on the cd

or it'd go after "Op. "

but the movement numbers are critical

often a movemnt it just called 'sarabande' or adiago' or' alegro' and then its 3 allegros per disc

s/called/labeled/

so when the disc doesn't have movement numbers, you just assume that the tracks are in order by movement?

yup

hum. es

ok

or research

or compare against another source for the same opus

not be hard. mb is good enough for searchign that

ah beethoven

i worked with his symphonies before

what about the punctuation in the movement name?

what punctuation, please give a written example

no links

no links

-oops

its 3 am I'M tired :)

"Adagio - Allegro vivace"

oh you umean the - ?

yes, that correct

"Finale: Allegro"

that to

basically do what the cd says then

the cd doesn't say that

hmm!

hold, on, one more example

those are both fine

then do whats most common in musicbrainz

they are both fine

it's "Section Type: Tempo"

or "Tempo - Tempo - Tempo"

if it changes during the track

"Menuetto: Alegro vivace; Trio: Un poco meno allegro"

flamingcow: yea!

s/;/ -/

yes

agre

no ;

Trio is a tempo?

hmm yes

no, trio is a section type

but the point is that the track has two distinct sections

hmm

one's a minuet at allegro vivace, and the other's a trio played a little slower than allegro

the cd says (exactly): "Menuetto, Allegro vivace Trio: un poco meno allegro"

brb

back

so the upper case is enough to know that it's a separate part?

no, use a -

the same way you would if they were just tempos

Menuetto: Allegro vivace - Trio: Un poco meno allegro

I meant, is it enough to know to use " - " in the future

or do I have to research everything?

it's a good indication. but just a quick search on musicbrainz itself will do. after a while if you work with the same composer, you'll learn it by heart ;)

ok

what about the order or Op. and key?

should it be "Symphony No. 5 in C minor, Op. 67" or "Symphony No. 5, Op. 67 in C minor"?

that's a really good question :)

i'd say the latter

but i'm not honestly sure

"Symphony No. 5 in C minor, Op. 67"

and we certainly have albums that do it both ways

I say "Symphony No. 5 in C minor, Op. 67" and I've only done it that way

:)

:)

and now i'll go to bed fer real

natta!

thanks, I think I can finally add these

night mo

is there a way to add a discid in one step if you know the album id and the toc data?

I keep getting error 502 when I select Ludwig van Beethoven from the discid add page

but not for other artists

it seems like it's caused by too many albums under one artist

I know a hint. search for releases instead of search for artist

if its already there. its just a matter of accosiating the toc

oh, cool

thanks

:)

no prob

I thought that was for VA only

it is

but it searches everything

if you want to add something. it makes it VA but if its just a simple toc add

it works fine

and if I need to add, I can add w/o the toc and add the toc later

thanks, that saves me a lot of time

:)

no prob

hey I got a question why beside the PUID there isn't any lookup count on it?

i thought those were the number of ids, not the number of lookups?

well besides the trm's there is a lookup count

besides the PUID there isn't any

trm's is definitely number of trms submitted for that track

but PUID aren't submitted if the are already present?

for exemple this track has 4 PUID but its impossible to tell if they are all used or if some are "bogus" PUID

flamingcow: are you still there?

nvm, I got it

actually, I don't got it

does should it be "Symphony No. 3 "Eroica" in E-flat major, Op. 55" or "Symphony No. 3 in E-flat major, Op. 55 "Eroica""?

s/does//

I'd guess the former

latter, style guidelines

ah, thanks

what if the op. has a common name that's used on the front cover, but not in the track listing?