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      • yllona
        looks like the LP was tuff gong too, but i'd love to take a look at my copy of the LP.
      • yllona notes that marley was never one of my favorites though ;)
      • jellyfish
        yeah, the 79 was probably tuff gong... i just never know what to do with a re-release (with extra track) by the company that bought the company that bought the label that bought the company that bought the label ... etc
      • yllona
        jellyfish: take a look at the copy that you own (if you can find it). that's the release you're editing (i hope)
      • srotta
        ... and then play "pick-a-label" 8)
      • yllona
        if not, a quick phone call to your public library can resolve the issuee
      • jellyfish
        haha, maybe i'll give them a ring tmr morning
      • yllona
        jellyfish: are you in the US?
      • jellyfish
        UK
      • yllona
        ah, even better
      • jellyfish
        :)
      • BrianFreud
        yllona: try this... looks mighty helpful, and his other posts are all searching for correct details on this... http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.reggae...
      • yllona
        give'em a quick call. survival should be in most collections. also your library system may be searchable on line
      • jellyfish
        but honestly, it's just annoying that i know the release date (exact day) cat# UPC/EAN format... just not the label!
      • (but i'll shut up about it now)
      • yllona
        BrianFreud: i'm not a big fan of the "crowd sourcing" phenomenon
      • BrianFreud
        true, but this looks useful... "22. Survival - Bob Marley & the Wailers (1979 Island Records LP: ILPS 9542), recorded at Tuff Gong, Kingston, JA, produced by Bob Marley & the Wailers and Alex Sadkin "
      • yllona
        jellyfish: if you've got all that info, then it will be quite easy to resolve. use the library
      • jellyfish
        yeah
      • yllona
        BrianFreud: yesh, taht is useful, and what i remember -- as just being Island in teh US. but find out if the goog group poster is referring to US release first. bob & the wailer were *huge* stars long before their msuic crossed the pond
      • i think their first big album hit in the carribean & africa as early as '73 / '74
      • i can send e-mail to one of my jamaican girlfriends, she also slighly older than I. so she'd know for sure
      • *older than me. sorry
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      • BrianFreud
        lol
      • cooperaa
        you'll get my nasty note in a minute ;)
      • BrianFreud
        hehe
      • yllona
        BrianFreud: the goog group poster is in europe somewhere, ergo would have entirely diff releases than even the UK. jellyfish will have the closest to the original carib releases
      • BrianFreud
        sounds good - I just looked to see if he still exists... last post was in 94, so pretty definate he's not going to reply at that email.
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      • yllona
        BrianFreud: yep. that's good bet
      • cooperaa
        BrianFreud: !!!! another no GC?!
      • yllona
        the post from '93 was prb'ly imported from usenet...
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      • BrianFreud
        see note :P
      • yllona
        goog acquired the usenet archives back in '99 IIRC. my usenet id is dead too from the early days
      • BrianFreud
        wierd - mine is very incomplete, but I can find myself back into the 80's
      • yllona
        BrianFreud: when goog acquired usenet you had the option of removing posts... that's waht i did
      • BrianFreud
        ah... I find my old posts good for a laugh every so often :P
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      • cooperaa
        later folks
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      • BrianFreud
        hey Jugdish, you've been around a while, right?
      • Jugdish__
        no, not really
      • just a couple months
      • BrianFreud
        hmmm... any idea where this option is, or if it's even still around? Would save me SO much time c&p...
      • Jugdish__
        hmm, sorry i don't know
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      • BrianFreud
        OH WOW! I just found it... and oh god does it work well!!!!
      • totally hidden in there :P
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      • drsaunde
        it's a sad day...just heard Le Tigre "Deceptacon" on a Nivea commercial
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      • yllona
        drsaunde: there are two classic stevie wonder tunes on nationally syndicated TV commercials now.
      • and now that george clinton has finally won back the right to all the classic parliament/funkadelic tunes, we now have p-funk in toyota commercials
      • kinda cool if you ask me :)
      • BrianFreud
        reminds me of that fit the guy playing themain char in The Doors movie throws when they used "Light My Fire" in an ad
      • drsaunde
        yeah....i'm not too upset...only that deceptacon is one of my favorite suprise the room/rock the room tunes
      • i don't want somebody saying to me they know the song from the Nivea commercial :-)
      • yllona
        drsaunde: there are agencies that specialize in finding music for commercials, it's actually "big business"
      • drsaunde
        yeah...i wish i could be hooked up with a job like that
      • yllona
        if you watch film/TV credits, that's the role of the "music supervisor"
      • drsaunde
        i'm kind of on the fence...but I have considered putting trackspotting like this in track annotations
      • yllona
        drsuande: non-celebrity music supervisors typically require quite a bit of "real" music experience -- should be able to read/write a musical score, have a good background in music history (like a graduate degree in musicology, or library science) and a hardcore background in music licensing wouldn't hurt either
      • drsaunde: i think the trackspotting is a great idea...
      • ascap.com can be helpful there as it lists commercial uses for a particular track
      • drsaunde
        i have a great talent for picking out tracks from commercials/tv etc... :-) maybe i will start adding annotations
      • yllona
        i use annotations quite a bit for useful trivia :)
      • drsaunde
        and to further the commercials point...I'm actually looking forward to a track because of a commercial (The Donnas cover of "Safety Dance..not released yet but all over the commercials)
      • yllona
        so there's a TV advert for marriot hotels that has licensed one of my fave (and obscure) dinah washington tracks
      • drsaunde
        nice
      • BrianFreud
        something like a "used in tv show/movie x"?
      • wouldn't we have to have TV shows and movie listed then?
      • yllona
        the track is "relax max" used for doubletree hotels from the album "swingin' with miss "D", 1956
      • BrianFreud
        oh, sorry, missed the comment about annotation :P
      • I'm so enjoying my new find in release entry... I found the option yllona
      • drsaunde
        that's some nice trackspotting...you should add that...track annotation :-)
      • BrianFreud
        very hidden, very useful :)
      • yllona
        eventually an AR would be nice, but we need a better source for authentication
      • drsaunde
        still..we could start a trend here
      • BrianFreud
        well, eventually, we could use the, what's it call, folksonamy? tag that ruoak wants
      • yllona
        yeah, i'll ad that and a couple of others mentioned above... like the stevie wonder tracks
      • BrianFreud
        free-form AR entry, basically
      • yllona
        drsaunde: here's the ascap authentication for one of the stevie tracks: http://tinyurl.com/yvfdd3
      • eeks that's a previe, just click thru
      • drsaunde
        that's still pretty cool though...i didn't realize they posted liscenced cover versions
      • yllona
        yes,
      • so you can see that it's being used in a mailbox etc (now owned by UPS) commercial
      • and you can see a partial list of all of the "covers"
      • ruaok pokes his head in
      • so on one evening i saw the UPS commercial several times while watching a basic bale version of a hit movie that featured the john legend "cover" of the same song as the title theme -- kinda wild....
      • *basic cable version of the movie "Hitch", sorry
      • drsaunde
        yeah...i always find that quite cool to make discoveries like that
      • yllona
        the commercial uses a "cover" tune also... and it gets better ... later that evening i saw another movie that used the original stevie version (1972)
      • i think the movie was "love potion no. 9" starring sandra bullock
      • drsaunde
        john legend is good though so i'm not surprised
      • yllona
        i like john legend, vocally he sounds an awful lot like stevie tho, he needs to settle into his own style
      • his covers of stevie tunes are terribly derivative of the originals... but he's also really young, so i'm hopeful :)
      • john legend wil have "arrived" when stevie writes an original track for him ;)
      • drsaunde
        yeah..i'll concede that...covering someone you are close to emulating as it is ...isn't necessarily a good idea if your trying to carve out your own identity
      • :-)
      • maybe he'll bring him along....like Q-Tip
      • yllona
        i love the track john legend did with sergio mendes
      • *mendez, rather
      • drsaunde
        i saw him opening for The Roots...good show
      • yllona
        drsaunde: while you're track spotting, look the track up on ascap/bmi... if you don't seee the advert listed, just drop a quick e-mail/phone call to the publisher listed... typically you'll get a response (rather promptly) in my experience
      • the roots will have "long legs" as producers, but perhaps not as perforrmers
      • drsaunde
        i disagree about that...as far as hip-hop goes...nobody can match their shows
      • yllona
        oh yes, they are *very* good performers, but the band seems to have alot of "personnel issues" ;)
      • drsaunde
        yeah...true that
      • yllona
        drsaunde: since you seem to follow rap/hip-hop also check sesac (sesac.com) which is a relative newcomer to the licensing/ publishing biz
      • sesac is attracting a fair amount of the hip-hop artists... you'll need o see what's waht. i don't follow hip-hop that closely
      • and i don't think the sesac DB is easily searchable online, tho they do answer e-mail queries
      • drsaunde: another good source... when you begin a search for hip-hop sampling is: http://www.the-breaks.com/
      • but aleay cross check with a legit source, these days *all* hip-hop albums should list sample credits.. wasn't always so. thus, the inordinate amount of litigation
      • drsaunde
        ooh..that is cool though
      • yllona
        one interesting note, the use of "live" musicians in recent hip-hop recordings... it can expensive than cross-licensing for samples... kinda funny from a circular point-of-view :-D
      • *can be less expensive, rather... (finally) bootlegging isn't cheap these days
      • thus the hip-hop artist will only have to gain clearances for composers.. not always cheap. but once you have live experienced studio musicians ... you can achieve/negotiate a composition "on the fly" -- and most successful hip-hip artists are better busisnessmen, rather than artist/musicians
      • drsaunde
        true
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