looks like the LP was tuff gong too, but i'd love to take a look at my copy of the LP.
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yllona notes that marley was never one of my favorites though ;)
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jellyfish
yeah, the 79 was probably tuff gong... i just never know what to do with a re-release (with extra track) by the company that bought the company that bought the label that bought the company that bought the label ... etc
2007-05-01 12123, 2007
yllona
jellyfish: take a look at the copy that you own (if you can find it). that's the release you're editing (i hope)
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srotta
... and then play "pick-a-label" 8)
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yllona
if not, a quick phone call to your public library can resolve the issuee
give'em a quick call. survival should be in most collections. also your library system may be searchable on line
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jellyfish
but honestly, it's just annoying that i know the release date (exact day) cat# UPC/EAN format... just not the label!
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jellyfish
(but i'll shut up about it now)
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yllona
BrianFreud: i'm not a big fan of the "crowd sourcing" phenomenon
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BrianFreud
true, but this looks useful... "22. Survival - Bob Marley & the Wailers (1979 Island Records LP: ILPS 9542), recorded at Tuff Gong, Kingston, JA, produced by Bob Marley & the Wailers and Alex Sadkin "
2007-05-01 12128, 2007
yllona
jellyfish: if you've got all that info, then it will be quite easy to resolve. use the library
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jellyfish
yeah
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yllona
BrianFreud: yesh, taht is useful, and what i remember -- as just being Island in teh US. but find out if the goog group poster is referring to US release first. bob & the wailer were *huge* stars long before their msuic crossed the pond
2007-05-01 12101, 2007
yllona
i think their first big album hit in the carribean & africa as early as '73 / '74
2007-05-01 12119, 2007
yllona
i can send e-mail to one of my jamaican girlfriends, she also slighly older than I. so she'd know for sure
2007-05-01 12129, 2007
yllona
*older than me. sorry
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BrianFreud
lol
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cooperaa
you'll get my nasty note in a minute ;)
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BrianFreud
hehe
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yllona
BrianFreud: the goog group poster is in europe somewhere, ergo would have entirely diff releases than even the UK. jellyfish will have the closest to the original carib releases
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BrianFreud
sounds good - I just looked to see if he still exists... last post was in 94, so pretty definate he's not going to reply at that email.
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yllona
BrianFreud: yep. that's good bet
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cooperaa
BrianFreud: !!!! another no GC?!
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yllona
the post from '93 was prb'ly imported from usenet...
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BrianFreud
see note :P
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yllona
goog acquired the usenet archives back in '99 IIRC. my usenet id is dead too from the early days
2007-05-01 12112, 2007
BrianFreud
wierd - mine is very incomplete, but I can find myself back into the 80's
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yllona
BrianFreud: when goog acquired usenet you had the option of removing posts... that's waht i did
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BrianFreud
ah... I find my old posts good for a laugh every so often :P
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cooperaa
later folks
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BrianFreud
hey Jugdish, you've been around a while, right?
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Jugdish__
no, not really
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Jugdish__
just a couple months
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BrianFreud
hmmm... any idea where this option is, or if it's even still around? Would save me SO much time c&p...
OH WOW! I just found it... and oh god does it work well!!!!
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BrianFreud
totally hidden in there :P
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drsaunde
it's a sad day...just heard Le Tigre "Deceptacon" on a Nivea commercial
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yllona
drsaunde: there are two classic stevie wonder tunes on nationally syndicated TV commercials now.
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yllona
and now that george clinton has finally won back the right to all the classic parliament/funkadelic tunes, we now have p-funk in toyota commercials
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yllona
kinda cool if you ask me :)
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BrianFreud
reminds me of that fit the guy playing themain char in The Doors movie throws when they used "Light My Fire" in an ad
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drsaunde
yeah....i'm not too upset...only that deceptacon is one of my favorite suprise the room/rock the room tunes
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drsaunde
i don't want somebody saying to me they know the song from the Nivea commercial :-)
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yllona
drsaunde: there are agencies that specialize in finding music for commercials, it's actually "big business"
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drsaunde
yeah...i wish i could be hooked up with a job like that
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yllona
if you watch film/TV credits, that's the role of the "music supervisor"
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drsaunde
i'm kind of on the fence...but I have considered putting trackspotting like this in track annotations
2007-05-01 12150, 2007
yllona
drsuande: non-celebrity music supervisors typically require quite a bit of "real" music experience -- should be able to read/write a musical score, have a good background in music history (like a graduate degree in musicology, or library science) and a hardcore background in music licensing wouldn't hurt either
2007-05-01 12115, 2007
yllona
drsaunde: i think the trackspotting is a great idea...
2007-05-01 12146, 2007
yllona
ascap.com can be helpful there as it lists commercial uses for a particular track
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drsaunde
i have a great talent for picking out tracks from commercials/tv etc... :-) maybe i will start adding annotations
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yllona
i use annotations quite a bit for useful trivia :)
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drsaunde
and to further the commercials point...I'm actually looking forward to a track because of a commercial (The Donnas cover of "Safety Dance..not released yet but all over the commercials)
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yllona
so there's a TV advert for marriot hotels that has licensed one of my fave (and obscure) dinah washington tracks
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drsaunde
nice
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BrianFreud
something like a "used in tv show/movie x"?
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BrianFreud
wouldn't we have to have TV shows and movie listed then?
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yllona
the track is "relax max" used for doubletree hotels from the album "swingin' with miss "D", 1956
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BrianFreud
oh, sorry, missed the comment about annotation :P
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BrianFreud
I'm so enjoying my new find in release entry... I found the option yllona
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drsaunde
that's some nice trackspotting...you should add that...track annotation :-)
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BrianFreud
very hidden, very useful :)
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yllona
eventually an AR would be nice, but we need a better source for authentication
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drsaunde
still..we could start a trend here
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BrianFreud
well, eventually, we could use the, what's it call, folksonamy? tag that ruoak wants
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yllona
yeah, i'll ad that and a couple of others mentioned above... like the stevie wonder tracks
that's still pretty cool though...i didn't realize they posted liscenced cover versions
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yllona
yes,
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yllona
so you can see that it's being used in a mailbox etc (now owned by UPS) commercial
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yllona
and you can see a partial list of all of the "covers"
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yllona
so on one evening i saw the UPS commercial several times while watching a basic bale version of a hit movie that featured the john legend "cover" of the same song as the title theme -- kinda wild....
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yllona
*basic cable version of the movie "Hitch", sorry
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drsaunde
yeah...i always find that quite cool to make discoveries like that
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yllona
the commercial uses a "cover" tune also... and it gets better ... later that evening i saw another movie that used the original stevie version (1972)
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yllona
i think the movie was "love potion no. 9" starring sandra bullock
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drsaunde
john legend is good though so i'm not surprised
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yllona
i like john legend, vocally he sounds an awful lot like stevie tho, he needs to settle into his own style
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yllona
his covers of stevie tunes are terribly derivative of the originals... but he's also really young, so i'm hopeful :)
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yllona
john legend wil have "arrived" when stevie writes an original track for him ;)
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drsaunde
yeah..i'll concede that...covering someone you are close to emulating as it is ...isn't necessarily a good idea if your trying to carve out your own identity
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drsaunde
:-)
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drsaunde
maybe he'll bring him along....like Q-Tip
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yllona
i love the track john legend did with sergio mendes
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yllona
*mendez, rather
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drsaunde
i saw him opening for The Roots...good show
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yllona
drsaunde: while you're track spotting, look the track up on ascap/bmi... if you don't seee the advert listed, just drop a quick e-mail/phone call to the publisher listed... typically you'll get a response (rather promptly) in my experience
2007-05-01 12114, 2007
yllona
the roots will have "long legs" as producers, but perhaps not as perforrmers
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drsaunde
i disagree about that...as far as hip-hop goes...nobody can match their shows
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yllona
oh yes, they are *very* good performers, but the band seems to have alot of "personnel issues" ;)
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drsaunde
yeah...true that
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yllona
drsaunde: since you seem to follow rap/hip-hop also check sesac (sesac.com) which is a relative newcomer to the licensing/ publishing biz
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yllona
sesac is attracting a fair amount of the hip-hop artists... you'll need o see what's waht. i don't follow hip-hop that closely
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yllona
and i don't think the sesac DB is easily searchable online, tho they do answer e-mail queries
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yllona
drsaunde: another good source... when you begin a search for hip-hop sampling is: http://www.the-breaks.com/
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yllona
but aleay cross check with a legit source, these days *all* hip-hop albums should list sample credits.. wasn't always so. thus, the inordinate amount of litigation
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drsaunde
ooh..that is cool though
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yllona
one interesting note, the use of "live" musicians in recent hip-hop recordings... it can expensive than cross-licensing for samples... kinda funny from a circular point-of-view :-D
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yllona
*can be less expensive, rather... (finally) bootlegging isn't cheap these days
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yllona
thus the hip-hop artist will only have to gain clearances for composers.. not always cheap. but once you have live experienced studio musicians ... you can achieve/negotiate a composition "on the fly" -- and most successful hip-hip artists are better busisnessmen, rather than artist/musicians
