Right... but we'e all seen more than our fair share of 6 or 7 track "singles", and 5 or 6 track "albums"
2007-06-01 15255, 2007
SenRepus
just because there is gray space doenst mean we should merge everything
2007-06-01 15202, 2007
SenRepus
why dont we merge EPs and singles in to albums?
2007-06-01 15209, 2007
SenRepus
its all music
2007-06-01 15231, 2007
hawke_
the term "releases" kind of does that
2007-06-01 15234, 2007
BrianFreud
"However, since a CD can carry any amount of material up to around 80 minutes, the distinction between a CD EP and a short CD LP is somewhat arbitrary and is based on artistic and marketing factors."
2007-06-01 15252, 2007
SenRepus
theres also gray space between promotion and bootleg and official...
2007-06-01 15205, 2007
BrianFreud
I guess
2007-06-01 15214, 2007
Rondom has quit
2007-06-01 15228, 2007
BrianFreud
just seems a term that really is somewhat meaningless when applied to CDs
2007-06-01 15234, 2007
SenRepus
then there is also the fact that the artists are still calling things EPs and singles
2007-06-01 15220, 2007
SenRepus
*and* the fact that CDs arent the only media we catalog *and* the fact that CDs arent the only media music is released on, even though it is now the most common
2007-06-01 15227, 2007
hawke_
in my recent experience, singles generally have one or two tracks plus remixes thereof
2007-06-01 15259, 2007
hawke_
SenRepus: I think the question is, does anyone really care whether a given release is a single or an album or an EP
2007-06-01 15209, 2007
BrianFreud
single yes
2007-06-01 15213, 2007
BrianFreud
EP no, at least me
2007-06-01 15228, 2007
SenRepus
does anyone care? yes, obviously
2007-06-01 15233, 2007
BrianFreud
I remap %type% EP to Album locally
2007-06-01 15237, 2007
SenRepus
people wouldnt be arguing it
2007-06-01 15243, 2007
SenRepus
if they didnt
2007-06-01 15251, 2007
BrianFreud
no, you make good points
2007-06-01 15204, 2007
BrianFreud
just to me, a EP CD is a unuseful concept
2007-06-01 15223, 2007
drsaunde has quit
2007-06-01 15254, 2007
SenRepus
thats understandable :p
2007-06-01 15202, 2007
SenRepus
theres things MB does that i find useless too
2007-06-01 15227, 2007
SenRepus
and things i find usefull they dont do
2007-06-01 15205, 2007
SenRepus
for instance, i keep the date in the track title of live songs
2007-06-01 15216, 2007
SenRepus
even ifits on a live bootleg with the date in teh title
2007-06-01 15216, 2007
Citizen
hehehe... i know of an artist who releases EPs because the albums still takes several months to be released...
2007-06-01 15223, 2007
BrianFreud
yeah... I just get annoyed with the single vs ep edit debates :P
2007-06-01 15239, 2007
deadchip
deadchip is now known as HiFructose
2007-06-01 15219, 2007
Citizen
okay, now who votes for all my edits? *gg*
2007-06-01 15231, 2007
hawke_
MBs voting system is very prone to debates and edit flip-flops
2007-06-01 15249, 2007
hawke_
a perma-vote system would be much better
2007-06-01 15228, 2007
BrianFreud
--->high quality
2007-06-01 15245, 2007
SenRepus
i only vote no on edits
2007-06-01 15249, 2007
SenRepus
you dont want me to vote :p
2007-06-01 15256, 2007
hawke_
BrianFreud: that helps a bit, but not too much -- it just raises the bar for changes
2007-06-01 15256, 2007
BrianFreud
lol
2007-06-01 15208, 2007
BrianFreud
no wonder you never vote on my edits SenRepus :P
2007-06-01 15245, 2007
SenRepus
id rather be stopping incorrect data... good data will go through on its own
2007-06-01 15202, 2007
BrianFreud
agreed
2007-06-01 15213, 2007
BrianFreud
I spend most of my voting time on newbie add edits
2007-06-01 15242, 2007
BrianFreud
not all the voting, but the amount of time invested per vote
2007-06-01 15253, 2007
BrianFreud
some are just godawful sloppy
2007-06-01 15254, 2007
Citizen
it's hard if you don't add new releases every day... all those rules...
2007-06-01 15210, 2007
SenRepus
you get used to it
2007-06-01 15216, 2007
BrianFreud
yeah
2007-06-01 15230, 2007
Citizen
i tend to forget things if i don't do them often
2007-06-01 15233, 2007
BrianFreud
spending some time really reading the wiki (not just a few pages, but digging in to it) helps
2007-06-01 15235, 2007
SenRepus
its especially easy if you were already a data nazi for your tags before
2007-06-01 15252, 2007
BrianFreud
agreed
2007-06-01 15257, 2007
Citizen
well, i don't have tags... i have CDs
2007-06-01 15208, 2007
BrianFreud
though, that still left me with 10 gb out of 1 TB that's taking forever to fix/enter :P
2007-06-01 15211, 2007
hawke_
the problems I have generally come up with disagreements with 1 or 2 people .... typically mo. :-/
2007-06-01 15217, 2007
BrianFreud
lol
2007-06-01 15231, 2007
BrianFreud
see, he and I tend to agree, or at least, be able to persuade the other
2007-06-01 15238, 2007
SenRepus
hawke_ >.< be nice
2007-06-01 15245, 2007
Jormangeud joined the channel
2007-06-01 15254, 2007
BrianFreud
I only have one editor I normally argue pointlessly with :P
2007-06-01 15231, 2007
hawke_
Senrepus: nah, it's not that he's wrong by any means; it's typically stuff like should that one marilyn manson track be called "spade" or â™ ?
2007-06-01 15233, 2007
SenRepus
i keep finding typos in album notes
2007-06-01 15208, 2007
Citizen
0 edits voted down & 0 edits failed for other reasons <--- proud of it ;)
2007-06-01 15249, 2007
BrianFreud
opinion: The release I'm adding has 16 tracks. 5 are live. Album or Live?
2007-06-01 15202, 2007
SenRepus goes to mar Citizen's edit record
2007-06-01 15204, 2007
BrianFreud
I'm leaning album
2007-06-01 15220, 2007
SenRepus
probably album
2007-06-01 15227, 2007
Citizen
i would take album also... live is for me completely live
2007-06-01 15235, 2007
BrianFreud
lol, citizen, you only have 66 edits accepted either
2007-06-01 15238, 2007
BrianFreud
it'll happen :P
2007-06-01 15250, 2007
Citizen
as i said, i'm not that often here
2007-06-01 15255, 2007
BrianFreud
I don't tend to lose any on a n:3 vote... tends to be 0:1 edits that just expire
2007-06-01 15216, 2007
Citizen
and now 27 edits are waiting for votes... that's almost the half of my accepted edits... *g*
though I wonder if, say, winamp could handle it, if you installed arialuni.ttf
2007-06-01 15216, 2007
SenRepus
>.< i had to tag 101 files
2007-06-01 15221, 2007
SenRepus
had to restart after tagging 100
2007-06-01 15230, 2007
SenRepus
so tagger didnt force me to submit TRMs
2007-06-01 15227, 2007
BrianFreud
QT not working on ME?
2007-06-01 15202, 2007
Citizen
BrianFreud i added a note because of the (Unreleased) in titles
2007-06-01 15221, 2007
BrianFreud
is it actually on the titles though?
2007-06-01 15228, 2007
BrianFreud
that discog didn't include it on those tracks
2007-06-01 15221, 2007
SenRepus
never put unreleased
2007-06-01 15225, 2007
SenRepus
its not part of the song name
2007-06-01 15225, 2007
Citizen
i have the pdf with the artwork printed here, it has 'Unreleased' on the titles, in the same font and size as (extended club mix) for example
2007-06-01 15226, 2007
BrianFreud
Well, one of his it's part of the version title
2007-06-01 15229, 2007
BrianFreud
but the others, agreed
2007-06-01 15210, 2007
SenRepus
extended club mix is version info, something we need
2007-06-01 15223, 2007
SenRepus
"unreleased version" would be version info
2007-06-01 15243, 2007
SenRepus
if it is just a note stating that it was not previously released, which it often is, we dont want it
2007-06-01 15259, 2007
BrianFreud
drsaude, you here?
2007-06-01 15256, 2007
Citizen
and what about this 'unreleased original version' in the last title?
2007-06-01 15218, 2007
SenRepus
that one is fine
2007-06-01 15238, 2007
Citizen
but it says also 'unreleased'
2007-06-01 15201, 2007
Citizen
following your 'rule' it should be 'original version' only
2007-06-01 15204, 2007
hawke_
that's a silly distinction IMO.
2007-06-01 15221, 2007
hawke_
if the creator of the release calls it Foo Unreleased, then that's what it's called. In my book.
2007-06-01 15235, 2007
SenRepus
they arent calling it Foo Unreleased
2007-06-01 15241, 2007
SenRepus
when they wrote that song
2007-06-01 15249, 2007
SenRepus
do you really thing they named it "Foo Unreleased"?
2007-06-01 15249, 2007
Citizen
it's a hidden bonus CD with some remixes and some new stuff... they want to show which songs are new and even one song is there two times, in original version and in a remix version
2007-06-01 15214, 2007
BrianFreud
hawke: if it lists as "Tom Tom Drums (previously unreleased)" you really want that parenthetical info?
2007-06-01 15201, 2007
SenRepus
Citizen: exactly, the remixes have version info, the new songs have "unreleased" after them to show that, until now, they were unreleased
2007-06-01 15231, 2007
SenRepus
"unreleased original version" is all version info, it differentiates the track from what we would normally thing the original version is, sometime previously released
2007-06-01 15240, 2007
hawke_
SenRepus: I don't feel it's appropriate to second-guess the person releasing it.
2007-06-01 15254, 2007
SenRepus
i do
2007-06-01 15232, 2007
BrianFreud
sounds like a JapaneseArtistIntent type of debate... /me steps out :P
2007-06-01 15259, 2007
hawke_
BrianFreud: I don't think there'll be any debate, just an "agree to disagree"
2007-06-01 15235, 2007
SenRepus
basicly :p
2007-06-01 15232, 2007
SenRepus
Citizen: if you call it just "original version" that makes it look like its the same as some other version, so it should include unreleased
2007-06-01 15235, 2007
BrianFreud
hmmm, Paul Revere and the Raiders - wasn't someone in here a fan?
2007-06-01 15259, 2007
SenRepus
if you want a second opinion we do have the forums and mailing lists
2007-06-01 15222, 2007
hawke_
hmm, so is picard-qt working properly with the renaming?
