Above all else, I think we need more foreign language native speakers
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gioele
I hope we will get something like data quality but only for titles
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brianfreud
foolip’s working on Chinese releases, you’re working on Italian, mo has Norwegian, etc - but there’s some, like Portugese, Japanese, and Russian, where I don’t think anyone’s really checking on them
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gioele
brianfreud: yes, Icelandic is seriously lacking behind ;)
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brianfreud
;)
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gioele
what about German?
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brianfreud
luks, etc
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gioele
luks? german?
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brianfreud
ruaok too
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gioele
wow
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brianfreud
luks is Chech Republic (however you spell it) I think
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brianfreud
ruaok is originally from Germany though
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Kanmu has quit
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ruaok
brianfreud: luks is from slovakia.
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ruaok
not czech rep.
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brianfreud
oops
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brianfreud
wrong half of the former country :)
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gioele
brianfreud: no worries, they had a friendly separation
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ruaok
ich bin Deutsch, das hast Du recht. :-)
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gioele
(IIRC)
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brianfreud
ruaok: Something we’d talked about a while back...
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ruaok nods
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brianfreud
Given the relative lack of Japense releases, and the serious lack of, say, Russian, Korean, or Arabic ones,
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FauxFaux
Zomg Deutsch.
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gioele
what about Arabian and Indian releases?
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brianfreud
what would you think of eventually supporting localization on the site?
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brianfreud
We counted - there were less than 1k total releases for all Arabic languages
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ruaok
brianfreud: its something I would love...
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ruaok
but the amount of effort to get this worked out is just insane.
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brianfreud
My guess is that the site being indecipherable to people who speak Korean is the major hurdle
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ruaok
that's why we have warp! :-)
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brianfreud
lol - he can fix, but alone he cannot enter them all :)
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brianfreud
luks had shown us a site he uses that’s working on PicardQT translations
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ruaok
seriously, I hear ya. its an issue for sure.
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brianfreud
I know actual implementation is a long way away, but would it be possible to extract the text strings, so people can start on translating?
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ruaok
I would say that once we can get NGS rolled out and smoothed out, we should consider doing just that.
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brianfreud
Something we’d talked about while you were at )^(
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gioele
I need Korean contributors for Italian prog rock of the 70s (don't ask me why they still love and re-release that music)
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ruaok
not feasabile until after NGS.
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ruaok
sooo much will change with NGS, you'd be wasting time.
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brianfreud
hmmm
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gioele
ruaok: how far (or near) is NGS?
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brianfreud
Now that you have a gameplan for NGS, is there any kind of timetable?
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brianfreud
LOL, jinx
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ruaok
nothing firm yet.
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ruaok
but I am personally hoping to see the first ngs related release around the end of the year.
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brianfreud
Do you have any plans for which parts will happen first?
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ruaok
release changes, artist changes, track changes
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gioele
year = 2007 or 2008?
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ruaok
2007
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brianfreud
I know, for me personally, the two things I most am looking forward to at 1) no more & artists, and (less than #1) track masters
2007-10-01 27419, 2007
ruaok
GSoC had made some progress towards the release portion of ngs.
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brianfreud
When does the “summer” end for GSoC?
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ruaok
so we need to finish that and get it out.
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ruaok
its done.
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brianfreud
What did we get from it, when all the coding was finished?
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ruaok
the mentor summit is next saturday where a few mentors will get together and chat about how things went.
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gioele
no more artists at all would be even better (remember the ml thread?)
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ruaok
well, I have a number of things to catch up on with Luks, and that was one of them.
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brianfreud
gioele: I would love that :)
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ruaok
in summary, I think luks and I were pretty disappointed with the results of gsoc.
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brianfreud
ruaok: something we’ve joked about, but in semi-seriousness... The idea of a “rotating” “artist” concept, rather than trying to squeeze composer/performer/etc into “artist”
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ruaok
not at all what we'd expected.
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brianfreud
yeah - seemed to start strong, but then the participants dropped off the map, and their webpages for updates stopped updating...
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ruaok
ding.
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gioele
you know, there was this problem in the last months called "Summer", I think that distracted many GSoC students :)
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brianfreud
Yes, but when you make the commitment, and get the $$ from Google, you are volunteering to give up “summer”
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ruaok
MBChatLogger: off
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MBChatLogger
is not logging
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MBChatLogger
is logging
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ruaok
thanks gioele
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ruaok
rant was clearly over.
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gioele
np
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brianfreud
just enough to make the few plugins I’ve made for picard
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brianfreud
One problem I’ve found is, when last I was seriously coding, the choices were easy - C, Eiffel, or Assembly
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ruaok
language doesn't matter. its merely a dialect.
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brianfreud
Now you have python, php, perl, c++, java, js, etc - almost overwhelming
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ruaok
the key is to get comfortable with *programming*.
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ruaok
then moving a dialect is merely lots of flipping in reference books.
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ojnkpjg
yeah, if you know C well, you can learn anything you mentioned in a week
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ojnkpjg
at least well enough to get stuff done
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brianfreud
figuring out the code in any is easy - assembly+c makes for a good basis to figure code out in any language. But figuring which languages to become able to write, and write well, that’s different
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ruaok
pretty much.
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ruaok
brianfreud: bs.
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brianfreud
you think?
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ruaok
learn python. get comfortable. learn C. then the road will be clear.
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ruaok
clear because as ojnkpjg says, going to something else is little work.
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ruaok
and the language depends on the work you want to do.
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brianfreud
See, I still think in Stroustep’s type of thinking - any language you can pick up in a week. But being *good*, really *good* in any language takes 1 to 2 years of serious coding in that language...
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ruaok
for das blinkenwheel, the python global interpeter lock fucked me.
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ruaok
I had to port my code to C++.
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ojnkpjg
takes a year to learn the idioms, maybe
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ruaok
that sucked, but took only a few hours.
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ojnkpjg
i think with something like python, you could learn enough to write good code in a week or two
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brianfreud
not the idioms, but more learning where the traps are, and how to not just write code, but efficient code
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ruaok
but it was interesting to visually see the effects of the global interpreter lock.
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ojnkpjg
i'm having to maintain some C++ code now :/
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ruaok
brianfreud: easy with python. there is the "python way"
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ojnkpjg
that uses "smart" pointers
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brianfreud
actually, from the little python I’ve seen/worked on, it strikes me as very much like, say, js
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ruaok
if you stick with that you can write some pretty efficient python.
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brianfreud
or, and I have to admit, the only language I’ve really been paid to write in in the past 10 years - VBA :(
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ruaok
js is not nearly as elegant.
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ruaok goes to wash his hands
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brianfreud
yes - and js has the problem of having to deal with multiple interpreters (I want to say “compilers”, but...) for the same code all at the same time... leads to nasty workaround-code styles
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ojnkpjg
javascript is really hackish
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brianfreud
well, it has some serious benefits
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ojnkpjg
yeah, i just mean in terms of being a clean language
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ojnkpjg
it's useful for a lot of stuff
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brianfreud
true
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brianfreud
I remember when java first came out, the entire CS department at hopkins - grad and undergrad alike - signed up to take it, as it was “the next big thing”
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ojnkpjg
when i was in college, everything had already gone to java
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brianfreud
the *idea* was - code you write once, that can run on any machine/os/etc
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ojnkpjg
so i resolved to make it through without learning java
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ojnkpjg
and i succeeded
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ojnkpjg
i still have not written a line of java in my life
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brianfreud
but the implementation of java was bs then (beta 0.7), and still is
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ruaok
\ö/
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brianfreud
ugh - last thing I wrote in college, I had to write photoshop in java
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brianfreud
damn thing took 4 hours to initialize on a Solaris box
