I know the moin code’s a bitch, but feel free, anyone, leave comments on that table page I made, and I’ll try to make it work
2008-02-01 03212, 2008
brianfreud
well, I would definitely put Mozart up there, but my all time top classical work isn’t his, I admit
2008-02-01 03222, 2008
brianfreud
K. 626 comes in #2
2008-02-01 03237, 2008
xlotlu
after?
2008-02-01 03246, 2008
brianfreud
Benjamin Britten: War Requiem
2008-02-01 03212, 2008
xlotlu
i never digested Britten
2008-02-01 03227, 2008
brianfreud
Mozart’s Requiem can make you cry. Britten’s War Requiem can devistate you.
2008-02-01 03259, 2008
xlotlu
guess i'll have to give it a try
2008-02-01 03210, 2008
brianfreud
Some of Britten is very wierd... I’ve performed some of his works. But have you ever heard the New York Philharmonic recording of the War Requiem?
2008-02-01 03253, 2008
xlotlu
i don't think i ever heard it. i did some britten experiments years ago, didn't get along, never listened again
2008-02-01 03220, 2008
brianfreud
yeah, this isn’t quite as experimental as his other works
2008-02-01 03222, 2008
xlotlu
it's true though, at that time i never knew what i should listen to, doing random sampling at the library
2008-02-01 03209, 2008
xlotlu
brianfreud: i'm thinking about totally making this a tree
2008-02-01 03213, 2008
brianfreud
yeah. the War Requiem, he wrote a pacifist’s requiem to WW2, using the traditional Requiem text mixed with poetry of Wilfred Owens.
2008-02-01 03223, 2008
brianfreud still random samples :P
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xlotlu
my entire life is made of random sampling :P
2008-02-01 03217, 2008
brianfreud
but, then, I kind of get Britten... It’s rather telling, I guess, that I can listen to John Cage, and I love Steve Reich...
2008-02-01 03244, 2008
xlotlu
so..
2008-02-01 03218, 2008
xlotlu
"Op. 30" is simply a row; its descendant: "sonata no. 8"; its descendant: "Allegro assai"; and so on, submovements, sub-sub..
2008-02-01 03234, 2008
brianfreud
pretty much
2008-02-01 03202, 2008
xlotlu
and then just figure out how to spit all the tree in a degestable form
2008-02-01 03211, 2008
brianfreud
I guess we just draw the line, since at a certain point the redundancy in text, while perhaps more valid from a db pov, becomes undigestible
2008-02-01 03231, 2008
brianfreud
Just overkill --> 3 German Dances for Orchestra, K. 605: German Dance for Orchestra in C major: German Dance & Trio "Die Schlittenfahrt" & Coda
2008-02-01 03212, 2008
xlotlu
if you put it that way, yeah. but maybe the spitting out will be smarter :)
2008-02-01 03226, 2008
brianfreud
that is the smart spitout, though :P
2008-02-01 03237, 2008
xlotlu
no, that's the straight spitout
2008-02-01 03244, 2008
brianfreud
:P
2008-02-01 03249, 2008
xlotlu
the smart one would be the current form
2008-02-01 03223, 2008
brianfreud
:)
2008-02-01 03248, 2008
xlotlu
this would also make it possible for weirder combined works..
2008-02-01 03209, 2008
xlotlu
.. like that ballet that had each movement written by a different composer
2008-02-01 03239, 2008
brianfreud understands... dealing with an opera by like 6 different composers
2008-02-01 03245, 2008
xlotlu
or 626 :P .../me hides
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brianfreud
:P
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2008-02-01 03201, 2008
xlotlu
think i've mostly figured it out... maybe i'll have something up by monday
2008-02-01 03212, 2008
brianfreud
“Mozart’s Requiem”, not “That Requiem that happened to have a shitload of composition by other people, and happened to be started by Mozart” :D
2008-02-01 03254, 2008
xlotlu
my requiem is "that requiem"
2008-02-01 03229, 2008
xlotlu
ripped at the time i didn't care who performs what. a bit on the smart side, doing it at 192kbps
2008-02-01 03246, 2008
xlotlu
and in a full chunk. no tracks :)
2008-02-01 03241, 2008
brianfreud
ouch
2008-02-01 03251, 2008
brianfreud
my requiem is the one I performed :P
2008-02-01 03210, 2008
brianfreud
even if we did have a tenor who squeeked
2008-02-01 03249, 2008
drsaunde
did he go for that castrato too?
2008-02-01 03207, 2008
brianfreud
lol, no, he just couldn’t sing very well, tended to squeek when he went above a middle C
2008-02-01 03208, 2008
drsaunde can't sing a lick
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drsaunde
thankfully my spot-on Fred Schneider impersonation has allowed me to survive embarrising forced karaoke moments
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brianfreud
lol
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sysrq
jesus
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sysrq
bah wrong rtnig
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brianfreud
:)
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ruaok
he claims its not him. yet.
2008-02-01 03241, 2008
brianfreud
it has to be contributing though :P
2008-02-01 03206, 2008
nikki wonders what you're talking about
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2008-02-01 03249, 2008
brianfreud
by the way, re: my question on moin... a big part of why I ask is I know the lists have to be resource intense... and some of the parsers and css improvements since 1.5 address almost exactly this type of larger “list of” page and how to make it non-intensive for the server
2008-02-01 03250, 2008
brianfreud
lol
2008-02-01 03228, 2008
brianfreud
plus, lol, every time I go to #moin to ask a question, they laugh at me for needing a solution that works with 1.3.5 :P
2008-02-01 03257, 2008
ruaok sighs.
2008-02-01 03206, 2008
ruaok
panda was working on that. or was it murdos.
2008-02-01 03220, 2008
ruaok
the magically disappeing bundle of frenchmen. :-(
2008-02-01 03231, 2008
brianfreud
honestly, I don’t know the back story... I know we have newiki.mb.org, but it seems like there was a push for it, then the ticket stayed and the push went away...
2008-02-01 03246, 2008
ruaok
that's pretty much what I was referring to...
2008-02-01 03245, 2008
ruaok
doing wiki upgrades is a total pain in the ass. :-
2008-02-01 03248, 2008
nikki wishes she had some scales
2008-02-01 03230, 2008
brianfreud
though, to be honest, I’d half be of the opinion that we set up 1.6, but manually move pages over one by one, so we can make the new one structured (and fix migration issues 1by1 on the way), instead of trying to keep cleaning up what we have
2008-02-01 03246, 2008
brianfreud
a thousand item long “wanted pages” list isn’t quite useful, considering the relatively small size of the wiki
2008-02-01 03244, 2008
ruaok
that sounds painful, really. :-(
2008-02-01 03251, 2008
brianfreud
you think so?
2008-02-01 03251, 2008
ruaok
but easy for me...
2008-02-01 03208, 2008
nikki
how many pages does the wiki have?
2008-02-01 03210, 2008
ruaok
for you it would be painful, methinks.
2008-02-01 03213, 2008
brianfreud
:P
2008-02-01 03226, 2008
ruaok
more than a few.
2008-02-01 03237, 2008
brianfreud
can’t be any worse than finishing the Mozart list, only to start over and rewrite it again in place :P
2008-02-01 03242, 2008
nikki
well, few means approximately three to me, so I should hope so :P
2008-02-01 03259, 2008
brianfreud
nikki, my rough guess, maybe 2000 - 3000 pages
2008-02-01 03204, 2008
brianfreud
a lot of them stubs tho
2008-02-01 03258, 2008
Aankhen``
♪ I am a stub / I am an iiiiiiisland ♪
2008-02-01 03203, 2008
brianfreud
that’s a total guess, however.... I might be totally wrong
2008-02-01 03220, 2008
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ruaok
2513
2008-02-01 03247, 2008
brianfreud
:P
2008-02-01 03203, 2008
brianfreud
one thing I’d suggest we could also do during such a manual migration would be to do kind of like wiki, use a card and split discussion and page, so the style pages don’t have 90% discussion to confuse
2008-02-01 03226, 2008
brianfreud
ruaok: perhaps I’ve spent too much time in the wiki... :D
2008-02-01 03255, 2008
ruaok
well, if you seriously want to do this, installing a blank instance is not a big deal...
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brianfreud
I am 100% willing to volunteer to be part (or head up, if needed) of a manual migration team... even if it means doing it myself...
2008-02-01 03259, 2008
brianfreud
only concern would be if the transclusion software, however it works, has any 1.6 compatability issues
2008-02-01 03212, 2008
ruaok
see, thats where I like this solution...
2008-02-01 03218, 2008
ruaok
I can work on that while you migrate data.
2008-02-01 03221, 2008
brianfreud
(and we would lose the current edit history, of course)
2008-02-01 03239, 2008
ruaok
good point. not so good.
2008-02-01 03256, 2008
ruaok
but we can keep a historical version for posterior sake
2008-02-01 03201, 2008
brianfreud
yeah, it’d be the same kind of blank slate we have now vs the old wiki... all history just stops at the old migration
2008-02-01 03215, 2008
brianfreud
but esp if we do split discussion off, it’d be easy to link to the old history right at the top of each page, so there’s some continuity... that just means we’d still have to run the old wiki in place (forever...)
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brianfreud
but yeah, if you’re willing, I am. I’ll just stall work on the Mozart list (while we debate CSG2 anyhow) and work on that instead. :)
2008-02-01 03256, 2008
ruaok
ok, I gotta find the right place to install it to.
2008-02-01 03212, 2008
brianfreud
np
2008-02-01 03230, 2008
brianfreud
maybe over top of the 1.5 install, if that’s served its purpose now...
