i'd like to do things like coverflow with the hand tracking
2008-11-01 30649, 2008
alastairp
but I think you have the same sort of problem
2008-11-01 30614, 2008
alastairp
if you wave your hand ltr, to get it back to the left you have to move it rtl :)
2008-11-01 30627, 2008
ruaok calls it an evening of halloween and heads to bed
2008-11-01 30631, 2008
Muzzz
You should be able to use either hand though
2008-11-01 30632, 2008
ruaok has quit
2008-11-01 30632, 2008
alastairp
seeya
2008-11-01 30650, 2008
Muzzz
Seeing as that just accepts whatever IR emitting source as input
2008-11-01 30601, 2008
alastairp
Muzzz: but if you wanted to track it digitally
2008-11-01 30620, 2008
Muzzz
I'm confused what the hypothetical issue is
2008-11-01 30620, 2008
alastairp
how does the app know which way you're waving?
2008-11-01 30632, 2008
Muzzz
Differentiating the start and finish points
2008-11-01 30648, 2008
alastairp
but if you want to wave in the same way twice
2008-11-01 30658, 2008
Muzzz
Ahhhh I get you now
2008-11-01 30617, 2008
alastairp
it seems a similar issue to the airpiano though
2008-11-01 30630, 2008
Muzzz
It should track velocity with a secondary trigger to initiate input, like a footpedal then
2008-11-01 30637, 2008
alastairp
how does it know when you want to play the note as opposed to moving to the note
2008-11-01 30651, 2008
Muzzz
Hit the pedal with your foot, wave your hand, release, move your hand back and wave again. That'd clear out unintentional input too
2008-11-01 30604, 2008
alastairp
hmm
2008-11-01 30606, 2008
alastairp
actually
2008-11-01 30617, 2008
alastairp
you could use a pedal like a sustain pedal
2008-11-01 30628, 2008
Muzzz
Yeah, precisely
2008-11-01 30634, 2008
alastairp
most (jazz) players I know use it almost every beat
2008-11-01 30601, 2008
Muzzz
Or you could track pedal pressure to edit strength of the hand movement
2008-11-01 30616, 2008
Muzzz
So you need only move your hand a little but can hit the pedal way down or whatever
2008-11-01 30603, 2008
alastairp
yeah
2008-11-01 30620, 2008
Muzzz
Anyway, inputs where you don't physically rest your hands, or arms, on something will never replace those you do. It's an ergonomic nightmare, how many people can hold their arms up int he air unsupported for prolonged amounts of time day in, day out?
2008-11-01 30621, 2008
srotta
Another "impossible to play" instrument in the making?
2008-11-01 30652, 2008
alastairp
it looks like it
2008-11-01 30603, 2008
Muzzz
It's like that film with that detecting crime in the future thing. Where hes's waving his arms about int he air to control the screen. Think about how fucked up your shoulders would be after using that for a few years
2008-11-01 30616, 2008
srotta
Minority Report.
2008-11-01 30629, 2008
srotta
And yeah, it looks cool but probably not so much when you actually use it.
2008-11-01 30633, 2008
Muzzz
That's the one. I hated that film
2008-11-01 30648, 2008
MBChatLogger
I hate the evil empire
2008-11-01 30648, 2008
alastairp
I think microsoft surface + friends will be great
2008-11-01 30648, 2008
srotta
I liked it, actually.
2008-11-01 30653, 2008
Muzzz
But yeah, they're fun ideas, but I would never consider them as total everyday replacement input methods
2008-11-01 30620, 2008
srotta
It's sort of the same as videophones.
2008-11-01 30630, 2008
alastairp
I want to choose music during a party by waving my arms around :)
2008-11-01 30631, 2008
Muzzz
The wiimotes are bad enough as it is, I can play on my PS2 for hours (days even) without stopping, not the same with the Wii and waving that controller about
2008-11-01 30633, 2008
srotta
Yeah, technology makes it possible, but who really wants it.
2008-11-01 30634, 2008
srotta
8)
2008-11-01 30643, 2008
Muzzz
Or rather, who can really use it :P
2008-11-01 30604, 2008
alastairp
I also wanted to make one of those IR refraction + webcam touchscreens
2008-11-01 30636, 2008
Muzzz
alastairp: the surface thing is slightly different though, having displays set in your worksurface which you can interact with could take off. The only real concern being having your neck craned down all the time
2008-11-01 30657, 2008
alastairp
but it's far more direct than a keyboard/mouse
2008-11-01 30600, 2008
Muzzz
But that's because you aren't waving your arms about in free air heh
2008-11-01 30617, 2008
alastairp
the Uni I was at last year had a prototype smartboard which was neat
2008-11-01 30626, 2008
Muzzz
Touchscreens with are presented to the user at eye level and like a monitor need to die
2008-11-01 30654, 2008
alastairp
pretty old, though... it used a mimeo stuck on a big TV basically... when they built it I don't think large lcds were very common
2008-11-01 30601, 2008
alastairp
they built it 5-6 years ago
2008-11-01 30629, 2008
srotta
Wacom has had Cintiq for several years, now.
2008-11-01 30630, 2008
Muzzz
Ergonomics are a funny thing, we were hardly designed to be perched at desks using keyboards, and allt hese new fancy inputs whilst "innovative" are hardly anymore comfortable
2008-11-01 30636, 2008
srotta
That's pretty cool, if you like that thing.
2008-11-01 30659, 2008
alastairp
Muzzz: workshop bench-height + standing might be interesting
2008-11-01 30603, 2008
Muzzz
*any more
2008-11-01 30616, 2008
Muzzz
We were hardly designed to be standing all the time either
2008-11-01 30621, 2008
alastairp
for sure
2008-11-01 30627, 2008
Muzzz
Being on your feet for a day really takes out of you
2008-11-01 30627, 2008
srotta
I used a screen that was embedded in my desk and liked it. No touch screen there, though.
2008-11-01 30653, 2008
Muzzz
Let alone several days in a row, or every other day
2008-11-01 30614, 2008
Muzzz
Worse still when you're just standing and not walking heh
2008-11-01 30615, 2008
srotta
Funnily enough, there are plenty of people that do that every day, for several years.
2008-11-01 30618, 2008
srotta
8)
2008-11-01 30625, 2008
Muzzz
YEah and the back problems they have ;)
2008-11-01 30656, 2008
srotta
Depends of the person, and what they actually do, and the way they do it.
2008-11-01 30626, 2008
Muzzz
Working behind a counter in a shop isn't the most comfortable of things, that's for sure
2008-11-01 30646, 2008
alastairp
imagine if they could wave their hands around to sell things!
2008-11-01 30654, 2008
Muzzz
And you're just standing, it may not sound like much, but your heels go by the end of the day, your legs are fucked and so's your back
2008-11-01 30603, 2008
Muzzz
Yeah, ruin their upper limbs too ;)
2008-11-01 30617, 2008
alastairp
Muzzz: i'll have my desk job, please :)
2008-11-01 30635, 2008
MBChatLogger
I hate the evil empire
2008-11-01 30635, 2008
alastairp
+ microsoft comfort4000
2008-11-01 30636, 2008
Muzzz
Likewise, but desks still aren't the friendliest of things to be behind for 9 hours a day
2008-11-01 30648, 2008
alastairp
who said anything about 9 hrs :D
2008-11-01 30604, 2008
alastairp
part-time + a job gigging > *
2008-11-01 30606, 2008
Muzzz
Well, 9 to 5 is 8, and you're bound to be at your desk for several more when you get home :P
2008-11-01 30612, 2008
Muzzz
Bastard.
2008-11-01 30625, 2008
srotta
Muzzz: Specially if you keep on using high heel shoes etc. :P
2008-11-01 30652, 2008
Muzzz
srotta: but how else will men hear me approaching from a mile away? *clip clop clip clop* I love sounding like a fucking horse
2008-11-01 30630, 2008
alastairp
Muzzz: which is why I need a hobby physically building alternative input devices in my shed after work :)
2008-11-01 30610, 2008
Muzzz
For the record, I learnt the hardway that 10 to 7 every day, and then several more in my spare time at your desk is NOT good for you. I can pretty much put most of what I needed surgery from 2 months ago down to that
2008-11-01 30639, 2008
alastairp
hmm, yeah
2008-11-01 30639, 2008
Muzzz
Was a serious eye opener, I spend nowhere near as much time at my desk now and actually do other things like get off my arse once in a while :P
having people warn you about it on a regular basis is nice
2008-11-01 30628, 2008
Muzzz
I'm still getting over my surgery and am nowhere near the shape I was before and I'm 8 weeks down the line now
2008-11-01 30629, 2008
Muzzz
But yeah just shrugging off pain, numbness, lack of feeling of movement is never a good idea
2008-11-01 30638, 2008
Muzzz
*and
2008-11-01 30620, 2008
Muzzz
(Here's a scary thing, I'm only 19 and had all that happen to me)
2008-11-01 30633, 2008
alastairp
oh, really? :-/
2008-11-01 30636, 2008
alastairp
that super sucks
2008-11-01 30653, 2008
Muzzz
Meh, I learnt my lesson :D
2008-11-01 30657, 2008
alastairp
I started getting problems about 21
2008-11-01 30654, 2008
alastairp
playing musical instruments has helped, I think
2008-11-01 30658, 2008
Muzzz
I'm grateful I have medical insurance from work. I got the entire thing checked out post-haste and now trying not to have it happen all over again on my right side
2008-11-01 30611, 2008
Muzzz
Likewise, gets me out of my seat and away from typing
2008-11-01 30613, 2008
alastairp
get your hands moving in a different way
2008-11-01 30643, 2008
Muzzz
Not just your hands, but out of that horrible posture of being behind a desk
