#musicbrainz

have I mentioned I use awesome as window manager?

awesome \o/

pronik, it's not a modal box

if a window sets its status to floating it is shown as such

just because the window is insensitive doesn't mean it's modal

normally those are modal dialogs like save as dialog in firefox

again can you explain me how a window of a separate process can be modal to the rest of the application?

anyway just try it or not, I won't comment so much

it isn't, but it has a floating hint which makes it float above the main window

it's flagged as a dialog

i don't know awesome so I don't know what it makes of it

but that is entirely reasonable and is a setting from within glade

again how you think it's modal I have no idea

but I'd like to know because it's a total misperception which I don't want others to have

I'm gonna make you a screenshot

btw I know the library is slow

but the search speed will more than compensate for that

but either way I'll wait what you'll say to it all

how do I play what's in the library so far?

pronik, really but just to give you an idea

you can do stuff like prioritize by filetype

that means that if you have the same album (same MBID for all tracks) in MP3 and FLAC, it will pick the version you prefer, for example

and all stuff like that

and that can't be done slow, but accurate and useful is better than fast, because adding you usually do only once

yes, I've found that. I repeat my question: the library has indexed some 5000 songs so far, how do I browse and play them?

incremental rescans are way faster than this

pronik, adding is currently atomic, due to constraints in the D-Bus messaging

in other words you have to wait until it's done

i'm working on a shm version of the class that does the library controlling

so i can share the instance between the processes and have a speed as if it were the same app mostly

pronik, ok but the main app is not locked

I don't know why you think that.. because the window is on top of the main window, or because it's insensitive?

32589 that will be interesting

i have only around 13000

yes, but because library is set to "dialog" it's floating above the main window. If it weren't, it'd be a separate window

the only way awesome shows a window above another one is by floating

I can manually unset the dialog flag, but I shouldn't be doing that

ok that's interesting because it's technically a separate process

so it must be because they have the same window class

probably

why set it to dialog anyway if it's a window technically?

I guess it used to be a dialog at some point

pronik, it used to minimize with the main app

but ever since I made it a separate process I guess it's useless

12600 of 32000

it will do another pass after that even

Just going by make it work then make it work fast ;)

Right now the library is technically correct, which is more important than speed, but eventually could be fater

faster*

you'll scare a lot of beta testers away by slow scanning

I don't even want to know how Banshee for example store their stuff

They seem to be unable since ages to add serious support for MBIDs

that's the reason I don't use exaile even if I liked it -- extremely slow scanning

what is "serious support" anyway?

pronik, ok but incremental rescans of the music added is not as slow as that, at all btw, and you add only once

I don't know how fast Exaile's incremental rescans are

pronik, serious support means in Banshee's case support at all I guess

can't you just do incremental from the start?

hmm?

what does it mean for you?

How would you do that?

serious support means for me that an MBID for an entity is the secondary identifier next to the database OID

just pretend you started with an empty dir and then some stuff has been added to that later

pronik, that's the same thing

on incremental rescans it checks whether files have been changed only

if they have, they will be re-read

how does having mbid help for a music player?

no dnotify support?

but the point is, if they aren't there in the first place, you can't "incremental rescan" anything

ok

I don't get what you mean but either way

how does an MBID help a player?

dnotify?

no I know what dnotify is

But how would you *incrementally* update a library if it's empty?

yes, what do I gain as a user from having mbids?

you know what incremental means in this context, like "incremental backups" for example?

you only update the stuff that has changed?

incremental update happens in the background, right?

and if there is nothing in there yet, then technically everything has "changed"

and it won't be any different from what it's doing right now

pronik, yeah.. so?

would be ok, as long as it happens in the background

this also happens in the background

what you are doing right now

but doesn't return results until it's all done, right?

you mean something that I don't fully get yet

18200

yeah

incremental scanning will be the same currently

technically it could add the stuff just as it's found

but it's too slow over D-Bus

I've already explained it

maybe you could do that stuff in batches or something so that results are seen immediately even if not the whole collection is available at once

ok that's possible I guess

users hate to wait, you know ;)

I know

I hate to wait, too

But I thought slow scanning is the smallest of all erm

how do you say that in English

btw, youki is different in library and playing algorithm, right?

Übel

yeah, english :D

das geringste Übel

no I asked how you call that in English, I know that this is an English channel pronik

eigentlich nicht ;)

the smallest defect or something like that

I don't know that eitehr

ok because the searching speed is unmatched by other players

and I hate to wait even less when I want to play something

erm, even more

pronik, different algorithm?

like what

btw there is a scrobbler plugin, if you want to activate it

not yet, I can't play anything yet ;)

well you could still activate it :)

just in case you were not aware

one thing at a time ;)

that's the wrong mode of action for ADHD people :P

I just remembered that XMMS2 is looking for a reimplementation of their library ...

I have some testing background, been doing that for 18 months ;)

I wanted to use xmms2 as an optional playback engine

But I found that you can not really seriously use it without also using the library

which I think is a big defect

they should make it possible so it's only a playback daemon

I'd really like that

yeah, but if you contribute a library based on mbids to xmms2, that might be a big win for both sides

23750

It will do an insertion pass after the collecting

lol

thanks for encouragement :)

but so far it's required for all the constraint algorithms

ok, I'll go shower then ;)

heh

ok but 32000 tracks, SOME time is to be expected :)

you'd wonder how fast rhythmbox is

I rarely check against RB

try it someday

actually I'll just try it now

but

gotta find how to delete the current library first

~/.config/rhythmbox/*xml

or something like that

isn't the actual DB also sqlite?

isn't that just the cache, like in iTunes?