#musicbrainz

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      • adamgolding
        is there any possibility of doing some kind of mass import of data from Naxos Music Library/classicsonline?
      • i don't mean by a user, but but those behind the scenes?
      • FauxFaux
        Discussions about mass-imports have gone Badly in the past, due to the fact that the system barely copes with the manually entered edits, never mind some batch-generated ones.
      • FauxFaux -> bed.
      • adamgolding
        barely copes.. you mean in terms of processing power etc>
      • ?
      • nikki
        there aren't enough voters
      • adamgolding
        presumably you wouldn't need voting for a mass import
      • the data on classicsonline is straight from the label
      • nikki
        but it doesn't necessarily follow mb guidelines, nor can we guarantee they don't have typos
      • adamgolding
        well it's still better than not having the info at all
      • say for 'low quality' artists
      • nikki
        how much do they have abyway?
      • anyway, even
      • adamgolding
        NML has 36,196 CDs
      • Classicsonline might have more
      • NML's mostly classical music
      • but a considerable amout of jazz and world as well
      • nikki
        I remember there was some talk about importing from cdbaby and in the end they were added as cd stubs
      • adamgolding
        ah
      • well NML has more info, like composer, performer, conductor, etc.
      • it would save 1000s of man hours to import those as ARs etc.
      • nikki
        something like the old cdbaby importer greasemonkey script that lets people import stuff one by one but doing all the various relationships would work, but it would still mean finding someone to write it
      • and most people who code for mb are busy busy busy doing ngs :/
      • adamgolding
        ah
      • i guess i still have mixed feelings about spending time doing edits when I imagine a lot of that work will be irrelevant when they do some kind of mass import 'some day'
      • nikki
        generally unless you're the one to write the mass importer, you can assume it won't happen :P
      • unless you have a big supply of good chocolate and can bribe someone ;)
      • adamgolding
        i can definitely assume it will hapeen 'some day'
      • i.e. for some x, it will happen in x minutes
      • :p
      • navap
        I can definitely assume the sun will explode, but I'm not going to sit around waiting for it ;)
      • nikki
        navap: exactly :P
      • ruaok will be pleased to know I'm breaking the search server with faye wong again >D
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      • adamolding
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      • adamgolding2
        i was ghoste
      • *ghosted
      • anwyay:
      • after I add a release, what's the fastest way to get it straight into picard?
      • nikki
        click the tagger button
      • adamgolding2
        it doesnt' show when i've just added a release
      • nikki
        if it isn't there, add ?tport=8000 (or &tport=8000 if there's already a ? in the url), or open a browser window from picard (e.g. by using the lookup button at the bottom right)
      • adamgolding2
        wack
      • why doesn't it show all the time?
      • nikki
        it times out after a while, because most people don't have picard open all the time
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      • adamgolding3
        damn ghosted again
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      • If the release has english translations of the titles in brackets, shoudl they be included?
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      • nikki
        we normally split tracklists into two entries if there's multiple languages on the cover
      • adamgolding3
        two releases?
      • nikki
        yeah, linked with the translation relationship
      • adamgolding3
        that's not much help for tagging, if people want both languages in their tags
      • nikki
        I hope one day we can finally have something like track aliases for things like that...
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      • luks: will the search stop remembering things for ages like it currently does?
      • nikki is vaguely paying attention to the review emails
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      • luks
        nikki: yes
      • nikki
        \o/
      • it drives me nuts that I can come back hours later and it's still set to something I forgot I ever searched for
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      • _Dave
        so to get an advanced search, I add adv=1 to the query URI?
      • luks
        what URI?
      • _Dave
        the api query
      • luks
        then no
      • adv=1 is not mentioned in the XML WS docs either
      • if you can explain what are you trying to do, I can help you, but I'll not be trying to get the info out of you :)
      • _Dave
        ok, i'm jumping ahead
      • first i'm using the perl api wrapper WebService::MusicBrainz
      • which composes a URI to query MBz
      • make sense?
      • luks
        yes
      • _Dave
        ok
      • there's a method set_url_params()
      • so if i'm searching on "Cream" for example, with the basic query, I get some japanese band back first
      • but if, on the form, i tick "advanced", I get the real Cream back as top hit
      • luks
      • you can use the 'query' argument to specificy literal Lucene query
      • which is what the "advanced search" on the website allows you to do
      • I don't know how to do what in WebService::MusicBrainz
      • *that
      • _Dave
        ew
      • horrid
      • luks
        what?
      • _Dave
        the perl lib
      • i may change to parsing the XML directly
      • and composing the queries manually
      • is there a page on composing the URI's fr the queries?
      • FauxFaux
        The wiki page documents it, yeah.
      • luks
      • _Dave
        ccol, ta
      • </n00b>
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      • brianfreud
        adamgolding3: I wouldn't mind a dump as stubs, but I find their data so often needs cleanup to meet our guidelines, the only time a mass import would save would be the initial add time - you'd still have all the time spent cleaning up the data, but now as part of the live db.
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      • luks
        CD stubs require CD TOCs
      • I doubt they are available in the archive
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      • brianfreud
        luks: Is that still true given Rob's recent changes re: tocs?
      • luks
        yes
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      • aCiD2
        luks, why does release_label have a position column? Does the ordering of labels really matter?
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      • luks
        aCiD2: it probably doesn't matter much, but I wanted to have a stable ordering
      • aCiD2
        I think we could get that by ordering on label name and catalog number though
      • It just makes the edit types a bit needlessly complicated, as they have to do the same position shuffling as the tracklist