is there any possibility of doing some kind of mass import of data from Naxos Music Library/classicsonline?
2009-09-01 24412, 2009
adamgolding
i don't mean by a user, but but those behind the scenes?
2009-09-01 24430, 2009
FauxFaux
Discussions about mass-imports have gone Badly in the past, due to the fact that the system barely copes with the manually entered edits, never mind some batch-generated ones.
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FauxFaux -> bed.
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adamgolding
barely copes.. you mean in terms of processing power etc>
2009-09-01 24415, 2009
adamgolding
?
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nikki
there aren't enough voters
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adamgolding
presumably you wouldn't need voting for a mass import
2009-09-01 24400, 2009
adamgolding
the data on classicsonline is straight from the label
2009-09-01 24419, 2009
nikki
but it doesn't necessarily follow mb guidelines, nor can we guarantee they don't have typos
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adamgolding
well it's still better than not having the info at all
2009-09-01 24404, 2009
adamgolding
say for 'low quality' artists
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nikki
how much do they have abyway?
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nikki
anyway, even
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adamgolding
NML has 36,196 CDs
2009-09-01 24402, 2009
adamgolding
Classicsonline might have more
2009-09-01 24414, 2009
adamgolding
NML's mostly classical music
2009-09-01 24424, 2009
adamgolding
but a considerable amout of jazz and world as well
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nikki
I remember there was some talk about importing from cdbaby and in the end they were added as cd stubs
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adamgolding
ah
2009-09-01 24416, 2009
adamgolding
well NML has more info, like composer, performer, conductor, etc.
2009-09-01 24429, 2009
adamgolding
it would save 1000s of man hours to import those as ARs etc.
2009-09-01 24444, 2009
nikki
something like the old cdbaby importer greasemonkey script that lets people import stuff one by one but doing all the various relationships would work, but it would still mean finding someone to write it
2009-09-01 24454, 2009
nikki
and most people who code for mb are busy busy busy doing ngs :/
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adamgolding
ah
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adamgolding
i guess i still have mixed feelings about spending time doing edits when I imagine a lot of that work will be irrelevant when they do some kind of mass import 'some day'
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nikki
generally unless you're the one to write the mass importer, you can assume it won't happen :P
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nikki
unless you have a big supply of good chocolate and can bribe someone ;)
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adamgolding
i can definitely assume it will hapeen 'some day'
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adamgolding
i.e. for some x, it will happen in x minutes
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adamgolding
:p
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navap
I can definitely assume the sun will explode, but I'm not going to sit around waiting for it ;)
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nikki
navap: exactly :P
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nikki
ruaok will be pleased to know I'm breaking the search server with faye wong again >D
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adamgolding2
i was ghoste
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adamgolding2
*ghosted
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adamgolding2
anwyay:
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adamgolding2
after I add a release, what's the fastest way to get it straight into picard?
2009-09-01 24415, 2009
nikki
click the tagger button
2009-09-01 24444, 2009
adamgolding2
it doesnt' show when i've just added a release
2009-09-01 24452, 2009
nikki
if it isn't there, add ?tport=8000 (or &tport=8000 if there's already a ? in the url), or open a browser window from picard (e.g. by using the lookup button at the bottom right)
2009-09-01 24401, 2009
adamgolding2
wack
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adamgolding2
why doesn't it show all the time?
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nikki
it times out after a while, because most people don't have picard open all the time
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adamgolding3
damn ghosted again
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adamgolding3
If the release has english translations of the titles in brackets, shoudl they be included?
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nikki
we normally split tracklists into two entries if there's multiple languages on the cover
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adamgolding3
two releases?
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nikki
yeah, linked with the translation relationship
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adamgolding3
that's not much help for tagging, if people want both languages in their tags
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nikki
I hope one day we can finally have something like track aliases for things like that...
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nikki
luks: will the search stop remembering things for ages like it currently does?
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nikki is vaguely paying attention to the review emails
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luks
nikki: yes
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nikki
\o/
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nikki
it drives me nuts that I can come back hours later and it's still set to something I forgot I ever searched for
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_Dave
so to get an advanced search, I add adv=1 to the query URI?
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luks
what URI?
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_Dave
the api query
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luks
then no
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luks
adv=1 is not mentioned in the XML WS docs either
2009-09-01 24432, 2009
luks
if you can explain what are you trying to do, I can help you, but I'll not be trying to get the info out of you :)
2009-09-01 24412, 2009
_Dave
ok, i'm jumping ahead
2009-09-01 24443, 2009
_Dave
first i'm using the perl api wrapper WebService::MusicBrainz
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_Dave
which composes a URI to query MBz
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_Dave
make sense?
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luks
yes
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_Dave
ok
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_Dave
there's a method set_url_params()
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_Dave
so if i'm searching on "Cream" for example, with the basic query, I get some japanese band back first
2009-09-01 24455, 2009
_Dave
but if, on the form, i tick "advanced", I get the real Cream back as top hit
adamgolding3: I wouldn't mind a dump as stubs, but I find their data so often needs cleanup to meet our guidelines, the only time a mass import would save would be the initial add time - you'd still have all the time spent cleaning up the data, but now as part of the live db.
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luks
CD stubs require CD TOCs
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luks
I doubt they are available in the archive
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brianfreud
luks: Is that still true given Rob's recent changes re: tocs?
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luks
yes
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aCiD2
luks, why does release_label have a position column? Does the ordering of labels really matter?
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srotta_
srotta_ is now known as srotta
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luks
aCiD2: it probably doesn't matter much, but I wanted to have a stable ordering
2009-09-01 24409, 2009
aCiD2
I think we could get that by ordering on label name and catalog number though
2009-09-01 24432, 2009
aCiD2
It just makes the edit types a bit needlessly complicated, as they have to do the same position shuffling as the tracklist
