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      • nikki
        luks: will the search stop remembering things for ages like it currently does?
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      • luks
        nikki: yes
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      • nikki
        \o/
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      • nikki
        it drives me nuts that I can come back hours later and it's still set to something I forgot I ever searched for
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      • _Dave
        so to get an advanced search, I add adv=1 to the query URI?
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      • luks
        what URI?
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      • _Dave
        the api query
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      • luks
        then no
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      • luks
        adv=1 is not mentioned in the XML WS docs either
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      • luks
        if you can explain what are you trying to do, I can help you, but I'll not be trying to get the info out of you :)
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      • _Dave
        ok, i'm jumping ahead
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      • _Dave
        first i'm using the perl api wrapper WebService::MusicBrainz
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      • _Dave
        which composes a URI to query MBz
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      • _Dave
        make sense?
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      • luks
        yes
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      • _Dave
        ok
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      • _Dave
        there's a method set_url_params()
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      • _Dave
        so if i'm searching on "Cream" for example, with the basic query, I get some japanese band back first
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      • _Dave
        but if, on the form, i tick "advanced", I get the real Cream back as top hit
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      • luks
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      • luks
        you can use the 'query' argument to specificy literal Lucene query
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      • luks
        which is what the "advanced search" on the website allows you to do
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      • luks
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      • luks
        I don't know how to do what in WebService::MusicBrainz
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      • luks
        *that
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      • _Dave
        ew
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      • _Dave
        horrid
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      • luks
        what?
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      • _Dave
        the perl lib
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      • _Dave
        i may change to parsing the XML directly
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      • _Dave
        and composing the queries manually
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      • _Dave
        is there a page on composing the URI's fr the queries?
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      • FauxFaux
        The wiki page documents it, yeah.
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      • luks
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      • _Dave
        ccol, ta
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      • _Dave
        </n00b>
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      • brianfreud
        adamgolding3: I wouldn't mind a dump as stubs, but I find their data so often needs cleanup to meet our guidelines, the only time a mass import would save would be the initial add time - you'd still have all the time spent cleaning up the data, but now as part of the live db.
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      • luks
        CD stubs require CD TOCs
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      • luks
        I doubt they are available in the archive
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      • brianfreud
        luks: Is that still true given Rob's recent changes re: tocs?
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      • luks
        yes
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      • aCiD2
        luks, why does release_label have a position column? Does the ordering of labels really matter?
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      • srotta_
        srotta_ is now known as srotta
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      • luks
        aCiD2: it probably doesn't matter much, but I wanted to have a stable ordering
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      • aCiD2
        I think we could get that by ordering on label name and catalog number though
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      • aCiD2
        It just makes the edit types a bit needlessly complicated, as they have to do the same position shuffling as the tracklist
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      • aCiD2
        do you mind if I take the position column out?
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      • luks
        I'd prefer to keep it personally
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      • luks
        can you check with somebody else?
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      • aCiD2
        i'm not sure who else I can check with :)
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      • luks
        nikki or mb-users :)
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      • nikki
        hi?
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      • luks
        hey :)
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      • aCiD2
        I mean, with ordering on the selection, you'll still get a fairly deterministic output with groupings on the label and an order on the catalog numbers
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      • luks
        btw, I intended release label changes to be a part of EDIT_RELEASE_EDIT
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      • luks
        not separate edits
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      • aCiD2
        I know, but I don't like that
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      • aCiD2
        what if someone adds a release label that is correct, but edits a release label incorrectly at the same time
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      • luks
        have to go for a moment, bbl
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      • aCiD2
        this is why I wanted to be as atomic as we can, and group edits together somehow
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      • aCiD2
        ok
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      • aCiD2
        nikki: we were discussing how much control we need over the ordering of release labels
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      • aCiD2
        (label, catalog number pairs on the release page)
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      • aCiD2
        at the moment you can control the order exactly, but I think that's needlessly complicated
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      • nikki
        hmm...
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      • nikki
        off the top of my head, it seems needlessly complicated to me too, I can't really think of anything where we would need a specific order for them
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      • aCiD2
        I figured ordering based on label name and the catalog number should be enough
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      • nikki
        the only possible use case I can think of is when there's the original label and the distributing label and we want to track that, but if we want to store that info I'd prefer being able to say which is which, rather than having guidelines saying "the first label is the original, the second is the distributing one"
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      • aCiD2 nods
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      • nikki
        I'd rather we used annotations than create more style guidelines to confuse people with :P
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      • navap
        Or have a sort of release specific label comment?
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      • nikki
        release specific label comment?
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      • navap
        Something to say which label is which.
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      • nikki
        well the annotations will be specific to the release
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      • navap
        Yeah but I don't like stuffing everything hap-hazard into the annotations.
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      • nikki
        well people can either submit a patch or submit some chocolate if they want proper support :P
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      • navap
        :p
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      • nikki
        but like I said, I'd prefer using annotations over ordering them in a specific way
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      • navap
        That I also agree with.
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      • nikki
        since ordering isn't really very intuitive
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      • navap
        So on to more important news, Opera 10 is out! :)
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      • nikki
        so I saw
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      • nikki
        wonder if they've fixed the display bugs I saw in the rc a few days ago
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      • aCiD2
        hehe, I saw that too, I'm still using chrome though
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      • nikki
        I'm still annoyed by the native theme being so dark and weird looking to me
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      • nikki
        but I found some other theme where the tab bar is acceptable, so maybe I'll keep using that and fiiiinally upgrade. the dialogs in the theme are naff, but it's not like I see them very often :P
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      • navap
        Yeah once you have it set up the way you want, you don't really need to look at the options again.
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      • navap
        I wish yoyu could hide the File, Edit menu as well. I never use it anymore.
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      • nikki
        I don't have that problem :P
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      • navap
        The new search server doesn't like querying for the track: ●, is that to be expected? The current search server doesn't return anything for it either.
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      • nikki
        probably, it mostly just tries to match the current server
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      • andrewz
        is there any way to search tracks i have loaded into picard?
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      • warp
        search for the tracks on the website? use one of the lookup buttons.
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      • warp
        (the one in the toolbar does a lookup within picard, the one on the bottom right when you have a track selected takes you to the website)
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      • andrewz
        warp: no, search for them in the client
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      • andrewz
        say i have 10k tracks loaded. im missing one track from an album (is under unmatched or clusters somewhere)
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      • andrewz
        wait the toolbar does?
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      • warp
        andrewz: no, the toolbar does a search on the website without taking you there.
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      • andrewz
        oh ya
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      • andrewz
        so, any way to search from within picard
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      • warp
        I don't think picard has such a search option, but it wouldn't be something I would use, so perhaps it's hidden somewhere where I never look :)
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      • adamgolding3
        don't you press the 'lookup' button at the bottom?
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