its really a slap in the face amplifind has 300' landed so many links
2010-03-01 06032, 2010
rektide
Depends: libofa0
2010-03-01 06037, 2010
rektide
ok well then bye for now
2010-03-01 06039, 2010
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http://musicbrainz.org/release/d0bdc687-8553-45f7… <- This CD lists artists as "Brenda Stubbert, fiddle; Brian Doyle, guitar; Richard Wood, piano". Should the release then have something like "Brenda Stubbert, Brian Doyle, Richard Wood" as the artist?
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I have what appears to be an earlier release of http://musicbrainz.org/release/e2e3cdd1-e643-4a7d… which gives all text in English, German and French. Since the original work is from a German composer, should the information in MusicBrainz be in German?
2010-03-01 06003, 2010
Leftmost
That is, "Wassermusik, Suite Nr. 1 in F-Dur: I. Ouverture (Largo - Allegro)"?
2010-03-01 06018, 2010
Leftmost
Or Suite No. 1, even.
2010-03-01 06025, 2010
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2010-03-01 06034, 2010
xlotlu
Leftmost: the water music was actually written for king george the 1st, so you can be damn sure it was named in english :)
2010-03-01 06029, 2010
xlotlu
and well, it's pretty much your choice what language you choose when the release is multilingual. just stay consistent
2010-03-01 06003, 2010
Leftmost
Well, George I was German-born. I'm tempted to modify it all. Just worried someone will hit me on the head.:)
Yeah, I figure it should be possible to get fine-grained with what they did with AR, but I've gone ahead and changed the artists since they're given equal billing.
Hmm. I never saw anything of the sort in the standard. That doesn't make much sense, though, as we're still not able to do multiple actual artists for a release or a track. (Though I understand that's in the new version?)
2010-03-01 06052, 2010
xlotlu
are those artists of yours the composers, or just the performers?
2010-03-01 06019, 2010
Leftmost
So the data either ends up having superfluous extra artists (which can be dealt with when the multiple artists thing comes up) or is just incorrect.
2010-03-01 06052, 2010
Leftmost
Performers. Composers are listed in the liner notes additionally, but I'm only doing it based on performer.
2010-03-01 06033, 2010
xlotlu
well, not sure about that kind of music, but i'd go classical style on it
2010-03-01 06019, 2010
xlotlu
composer as track artist, performers as performers, and the release as various artists unless those folks banded together for this specific release...
2010-03-01 06021, 2010
Leftmost
Hmm. I'm not sure I agree. Performer is usually who's credited for any track, especially since composer is often unknown.
2010-03-01 06031, 2010
xlotlu
on the other hand i might be utterly wrong :)
2010-03-01 06014, 2010
xlotlu
Leftmost, can you find the exact same piece of music performed by someone else?
2010-03-01 06040, 2010
Leftmost
So much of Celtic music is traditional and/or derived from other songs that composer is rarely a good measure. Composer is only listed for a handful of pieces and usually it's only for one piece in the medley.
2010-03-01 06040, 2010
xlotlu
.. even if the composer is [unknown]
2010-03-01 06010, 2010
Leftmost
Often not, since they're so often medleys.
2010-03-01 06053, 2010
Leftmost
I mean, a couple of individual pieces on there are performed by more than one of the groups, but not a full medley.
2010-03-01 06008, 2010
xlotlu
anyway, looking at this http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00005Y1U0 .. if you add a collaboration artist for each of those, you'll get spanked hard :P
2010-03-01 06000, 2010
xlotlu
those performers should have instrument ARs for each track. what you'll do about the track artist is a different matter
2010-03-01 06025, 2010
Leftmost
xlotlu, it actually breaks down to just six collaboration artists.
2010-03-01 06052, 2010
Leftmost
"Brenda Stubbert, Brian Doyle, and Richard Wood", "Wendy MacIsaac and Jackie Dunn MacIsaac", "Kinnon Beaton, Betty Beaton, and Owen D. Gillis", "Jerry Holland and Allan Dewar", "Buddy MacMaster and Joey Beaton", and "Kinnon and Betty Beaton".
2010-03-01 06053, 2010
xlotlu
well, you go ahead and do that if you feel the urge... :)
2010-03-01 06017, 2010
Leftmost
It just makes the most sense to me until the ability to add multiple full artists is available.
2010-03-01 06045, 2010
xlotlu
except they're performers..
2010-03-01 06059, 2010
Leftmost
Right, but I think the composer situation would be worse. Track 1 would be "Brenda Stubbert / [unknown] / [unknown]"
Track three has four known composers and two unknown. Et cetera.
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xlotlu
a mess is a mess is a mess
2010-03-01 06046, 2010
Leftmost
It's a lot less messy with performers, especially as particular groups of performers tend to perform together often.
2010-03-01 06038, 2010
xlotlu scratches head
2010-03-01 06007, 2010
xlotlu
why the hell does picard have a path length limit for renaming.....?
2010-03-01 06054, 2010
Leftmost
Even the long filename stuff on FAT32 is still limited, I believe.
2010-03-01 06004, 2010
xlotlu
there's no limit
2010-03-01 06053, 2010
Leftmost
There's some common enough filesystem that supports long filenames but is still limited. Can't remember which.
2010-03-01 06045, 2010
xlotlu
most filesystems are limited to a 255 chars filename, but there's really no limit to the path length
2010-03-01 06039, 2010
xlotlu
well, 32,767 for ntfs...
2010-03-01 06011, 2010
Leftmost
Ahh, actual path length? Hmm.
2010-03-01 06044, 2010
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xlotlu
err. ugh. windows..
2010-03-01 06041, 2010
MBChatLogger
windows == pure evil
2010-03-01 06041, 2010
xlotlu
ntfs is capable of storing whatever, windoze limits it to 260
2010-03-01 06049, 2010
xlotlu
yes yes
2010-03-01 06042, 2010
FauxFaux
Explorer, you mean.
2010-03-01 06003, 2010
xlotlu
In the Windows API (with some exceptions discussed in the following paragraphs), the maximum length for a path is MAX_PATH, which is defined as 260 characters.
2010-03-01 06008, 2010
xlotlu
winapi..
2010-03-01 06012, 2010
Leftmost
Hmm. If I'm doing classical in German, should it be Suite Nr. 1 or Suite No. 1?
2010-03-01 06035, 2010
FauxFaux
xlotlu: It means the shell api, the actual underlying api supports the \\?\ disambigiouation syntax with allows arbitary length paths.
2010-03-01 06043, 2010
FauxFaux
Which.
2010-03-01 06057, 2010
FauxFaux
Actually, I think it's still capped at 32k, but that's pretty arbitary. ¬_¬
2010-03-01 06001, 2010
xlotlu
FauxFaux: and in practice that means... ?
2010-03-01 06034, 2010
FauxFaux
xlotlu: Applications /can/ use long file names easily, but nobody bothers. Including the Explorer team.
2010-03-01 06048, 2010
xlotlu
haha
2010-03-01 06011, 2010
FauxFaux
(It makes me so sad)
2010-03-01 06035, 2010
xlotlu
most people using windows make me sad :P
2010-03-01 06006, 2010
FauxFaux
I bet people who complain without understanding all the facts make mesader. ¬_¬
2010-03-01 06024, 2010
FauxFaux
So much lag on this connection, it's not my fault I can't type, I swear.
2010-03-01 06019, 2010
FauxFaux
For example! I have an untainted debian kernel (not even any firmware), and the supported, free intel driver keeps locking up. Who's to blame now?!
2010-03-01 06054, 2010
xlotlu
obviously faith!
2010-03-01 06009, 2010
xlotlu
alternate answer: you for not submitting a bug report, in which you should blame the developers, and they'll get pissed and blame you for the bug report being useless, and then you submit a proper bug report after 10 hours of figuring out how to do it...
... and blame the developers back, and then they'll figure out it's definitely not their fault, and blame the hardware, and code a special case for that hardware that must have the words fuck and shit at least a few times in the comments
2010-03-01 06050, 2010
FauxFaux just runs the above line again.
2010-03-01 06038, 2010
xlotlu
guess i'll patch picard with an option to skip those annoying short paths
