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I didn't mean that I think it's wrong or not as good to use "morning", just that I'd find it odd to take something like モーニングコーヒー and turn it into "morning coffee" and then say it should be sentence case because it's japanese

but then if you say that should be english caps because it's english, what about when it's a mixture? what if only one word is japanese? what if only one word is english?

nikki: well I understand you are wondering... To me English case looks so unnatural I'm not wondering a second but to you of course it's something else! ;p

My opinion is that borrwoed words are now part of the language. when we romanise them, be they Italian, English, French, Korean etc. in the first place they are now Japanese and not affected by English case. This is 100% if written as ''mouningu''/''mo-ningu'''/''mōningu''/whatever but when replaced by genuine word ''morning'', I understand it has to be discussed.

i meant 100% sure

jesus2099: like Oeuvre in some recent edits of yours :P

you bets!

Is Œuvre coming from french or dutch in the beginning ?

french

but it's in the dutch dictionary without your weird characters.

So when a word is borrowed it is part of the borrowing language, it's normal

and abides by the rules of the borrowing language

nikki: so do you with English in Japanese sentence words without caps? (or sometimes I've seen katakana romanised in UPPERCASE and the rest in sentence)

ex: プラットホーム is a typical borrwed English word integrated in language whereas アイアム is not really in the language but is still english

It would be too complex to refer to each language's capitalisation rule, we should stick to one romanised Japanese style

if I'm using a transliteration of the actual japanese, I would use sentence caps. if I turn it back into english... then I don't know, hence what I was saying earlier

in mb I generally try and avoid the problem by letting other people add them and leaving capitalisation alone on the ones I edit (except for lowercasing particles :P)

I think we couldn't do the English caps because foreign words can come from plenty different languages (however mainly English) and we simply can't refer to so many guidelines for just a track list.. And the sentence being mostly japanese it would mix rules and we can't cope with that either

if we just say sentence caps though, I doubt people will bother using it

other than you :P

BEcause it is more difficult?

it's hard to believe

probably because it looks weird to english speakers

the two people who I see adding the most pseudo-releases both seem to prefer english caps

Are they from England or another English speaking country?

Or Sweden?

americans I guess.

It seems north Europe also uses Title Case

wikipedia, jpopstop, j-ongaku, etc all use english caps too

Ah from America so you see why they do this way..

even the french wikipedia :P http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morning_Musume#Dis...

Becasue internet is so USA influenced, bad habits are now taken quite everywhere online

<rude>I mean people with no culture take whatever crap they see for granted</rude>

and as far as I know, scandinavia uses sentence caps

But Scandinavia does include Sweden, doesn't it?

yes

Foolip from Sweden told me they were using Title Case

does "Title Case" mean english-style caps or sentence caps?

It means English for me

Because I write it like "Title Case" and not "Title case" ;p

you could be experimenting with german caps for all I know :P

How is it?

they capitalise all nouns

Both proper and common nouns? But not Verbs?

yeah, proper and common nouns and not verbs

Well why not... As soon as it is not sentence case anything looks weird to me, that one not more weird than English

french isn't quite sentence case either :P

I must be too simplist

Well it is disputed actually

I know

You see many sentence case even on books

Online it is English Case because of America's influence (they also forget spaces before ;:!? and write Mr instead of french M. etc.)

There is nowadays a big problem with orthograph in France so let's not even talk about typography..

Many people from the best scientific schools make many orthograph and grammar mistakes in their texts, it's really scary, even some university teachers I've had..

"C'était mieux avant"

"It was better before" my nostalgic point of view ;)

Nikki: do you know or like suede, the band?

vaguely. I recognise the tune for "trash" and I know they were called the london suede in america

and I have an 8cm cd with one of their songs on it (probably trash...)

and one of the covers is green!

oh I love them

and they a reforming sort of

:))

They are Brittish and they wrote "everything" consistently in lower case always everywhere including everything anywhere! That was so cool.

oh, and wasn't the lead singer called bernard or something?

I had a friend who was obsessed with them, obviously I wasn't paying much attention :P

I don't know if you would like them but if you want to give them compatriots a try, start by their B-Sides collection called "sci-fi lullabies", they rule

Brett Anderson (now solo)

was there a guy called bernard?

Bernard Buttler was the first guitarist who left

ah

Bernard sounds funny in English

hmm... filmstar and beautiful ones ring a bell too

hmm... love love

gr8t titles include "my dark star" / "the big time" / "europe is our playground" / "the asphalt world" / …

this last one is epic (and still lowercase)

I went to see Brett live recently and before also but it is not as great as the band he was in. Hopefully I could see them before they split.

Hey you too like some lowercased artists, I know!

oh?

Yes, and I know

she's alan ;)

ah :P

I'm a bit annoyed because all the versions of the next single are different

they know how to get my money :/

This is marketing at its worst

I often stick to albums except for bands that are stopped and which don't have too many singles or if I find the single for 2€ at book off :)

hehe but don't get to think it's a book off as cool as those in Japan... It's second hand at the price of new and the stock isn't changing very often... But I still have some good opportunities by getting there regularly ;)

something is better than nothing!

I got all AJICO's singles for 2€ each! (only 3 singles and AJIC Oisn't famous/popular, thuis the discount price for here)

yes it is so lucky to have it, I agree

I thought I was dreaming when I saw this the first time

for the first time

What website do you order from? (I use HMV because you can always make sure that you order the shokaigenteiban (ltd. version) before despatch, unlike amazon)

I normally use yesasia because it's cheapest for me

Is it?

yes

I should compare next time

Do you receive the special presents that occasionally come with discs? (like pair of sticks, stickers, etc.)

pair of sticks? o_O

eating sticks?

chopsticks?

hashi? :D

eh probably... let me lookup

hashi!

I'm not sure, I don't know if I've ever bought anything that should come with a special present

yes that's particular because I wouldn't even know I would receive anything at order time.

I received posters, chopsticks, puzzle, and even an eyepatch!

All kind of things that I don't know what to do with (except chopsticks, that was handy)

hehe

tristan too but these are artist branded! ;p

show off :P

they're not particularly pretty.

I have ones which are apparently korean

I'm not sure what to do with them

I have onmyo-za chopsticks (thanks to hmv), I was looking over the web but it's nothing special too :) but handy for once

hey nukku

erh nikki, sorry

yeah?

I was looking at yesasia to compare and saw that title, can you guess what does it mean ? "garuneriususekandoraibudhi buidhi purasushi dhi raibufo o ruribufo wan" it's crazy :)

I guess it starts with something like "galnerius" then second live...

but the rest...

dvd+cd live...

ohh

yes hehe, that's crazy, speaking of romanisation.. Are there user submitted info over there? It's Galneryus second live DVD plus CD live for "ruribu" for one

the correct title is live for all - live for one, :)